Title: Fla - Injury Statistics
BHB - May 9, 2008 10:04 PM (GMT)
Just doing a little bit of research.
Have a look at point 17 on the following link from the FLA website and tell me what I'm missing:
http://www.flaweb.org.uk/docs/injstat.php| QUOTE |
17. There is no automatic correlation between standing terraces and the number of spectators seeking treatment for injuries. However, we have compared the level of reported injuries at all-seated grounds in League 1 and League 2 with those at grounds in these Divisions that retain standing terraces. The following table of injuries treated in 2006/07 suggests that, taken as a whole, grounds that retain terraces have slightly higher reported injury rates than those which are all seated.
(table here)
* These figures relate to injuries throughout the ground. Those occurring in standing areas are not always separately identified in the returns.
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They state there is no correlation between standing and seating areas when it comes to injuries. Then further down state grounds with terraces have a higher reported injury rate than all seater stadia - yet on looking at the table on that link, it seems to state the opposite.
Then in their F&Q section they state:
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| The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting. |
Mmmmm????
Amanda - May 10, 2008 08:01 AM (GMT)
Unibee has also been doing some research on injury figures and is some way through the project.
As soon as he's completed his work, we'll let you know.
We're fairly confident you'll find it interesting.... :rolleyes:
BHB: Did you not come across the statement on the FLA website that states that most of the injuries are caused by slips, trips, insect bites, burns from hot drinks, people with pre-existing conditions seeking help etc?
What the FLA cannot do is PROVE that injuries have been caused specifically by standing either in seated areas or on state sanctioned terraces.
Their statements are totally and utterly misleading.
Peter SUSD - May 10, 2008 08:22 AM (GMT)
I think its pretty certain that if there were statistics that showed more injuries in standing areas than seats the FLA would be highlighting this very clearly.
I would suggest that it is also significant that the FLA show no interest in obtaining figures for injuries that woudl allow this comparison to be made - simple to get clubs to collate from what part of ground injured person came and if in seated area, whether standing or sitting.
I read yesterday about a supporter who broke his finger when trapped between two seats. I've always thought this is a danger. Wonder how many injuries are directly attributable to seats?
BHB - May 10, 2008 08:33 AM (GMT)
I was just staggered by that statement in point 17.
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The following table of injuries treated in 2006/07 suggests that, taken as a whole, grounds that retain terraces have slightly higher reported injury rates than those which are all seated.
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and then this quote:
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| The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation |
Yet - can anyone tell me how they drew them conclusions? Have a look at that table in point 17 and tell me how they got them conclusions. Please. There's absolutely nothing in it figures wise, and no breakdown of how them injuries were sustained. It's nonsense.
Look further up the page, at the breakdown of injuries. Trips, cuts and scalds account for 75% of injuries - how are they related to standing?
Fabricated statistics that mean nothing.
Peter SUSD - May 10, 2008 09:06 AM (GMT)
Yet the standard Government reply to letters about standing states that there are more injuries in grounds with standing areas. A pretty meaningless statement given the (lack of) data.
This is something that we have been trying to stop them quoting for a while and hopefully all the work Unibee is doing will finally force them to stop this misinformation.
watermelon man - May 10, 2008 11:32 AM (GMT)
Well from my experience the opposite is true. Celebrating a goal in a seated area is far more dangerous than celebrating a goal in a terraced area!
nick the jack - May 10, 2008 08:17 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (watermelon man @ May 10 2008, 11:32 AM) |
| Well from my experience the opposite is true. Celebrating a goal in a seated area is far more dangerous than celebrating a goal in a terraced area! |
Same here. It was only last month someone sprained an ankle when celebrating a goal at Gillingham. I've also been celebrating before and have nearly fallen on to the person in front.
However dont the FLA bang on about 'crowd management' now as to why we cant stand? But it would be good to end this myth of injuries as to why we cant stand..