Any person in possession of such items will be refused entry to the Ground.

• Any article that might be used as a weapon be deemed to be offensive or abusive, or compromise public safety, will be confiscated and or reported to the police

• Unlicensed musical instruments:

- trumpets, drums and other devices capable of causing a disturbance or nuisance

While I'm not a lover of musical instruments inside football stadiums, I don't begrudge the efforts to create an atmosphere...

• Flag poles greater than 1m in length

Do the stewards have a tapemeasure

• Flares

Of the trouser variety, I wonder?!

• Bottles, glass vessels, cans, flasks

for safety reasons or to effectively make you buy their own drinks at extorbitant prices?

• Frisbees and similar items

I may have lived a sheltered life, but don't recall ever seeing a frisbee in a football stadium. Wonder if boomerangs are allowed?

• Dangerous or hazardous items

Most items are dangerous or hazardous in the wrong hands :ph43r:

• Illegal substances

• Explosives or ammunition; fireworks

No ammunition? Oh, please

• Knives, blades or other weapons

Can't argue with that one

• Firearms

Or this one...

• Scooters, skateboards or other skates :rolleyes:

• Laser devices

Do you think they confisicate pens, in case they're cunningly disguised "laser items"

• Smoke canisters

• Signs or items with corporate or inappropriate branding

Define inappropriate

• Unauthorised fliers

Big Brother....

• Spray paint, large industrial style “permanent“ marker pens

God, they think of everything, don't they?

• Prams / push chairs

Kids young enough for a pram or push chair shouldn't be in a football stadium anyway...

• Transmitting devices

Wonder if they'd confiscate semaphore flags?

• Professional cameras & recording devices

• Large suitcases, lap tops, and back packs

(trip hazards)

• Illegal merchandise items

Miserabilists. Must keep that nice squeaky clean image now...

• Water bottles (need to have the ability to decant)

what does this mean? Don't all bottles have the ability to decant

• Illegal charity collection utensils

Where does it stop...?

• Motor bike helmets

Yep, they'd be pretty lethal thrown from row z

• Umbrellas

:rolleyes:
• Darts

• Hampers and Cold Boxes

Again, don't take your own food in, so you have to buy there £8 Aberdeen Angus burgers. Although wouldn't be suprised if they've gone up to a tenner...[i]

• Air horns

Good. Bloody things.

• Alcohol

What if you need it for medicinial purposes?

• Animals (except service dogs & guide dogs)

Sorry Sir, you'll have to leave your pet giraffe tied to the railings, but don't be suprised if you come back and find it clamped.[I]

Seriously doubt I'll venture in there for a long time, awful place - heres hoping Cardiff burn the place down

I think they've overlooked the need to gullotine people's hands off before they enter the ground. When compressed into a ball, those knuckle things can be used to strike people and could cause quite a bit of damage.

Wembley was the most oppressive football experience I've had in 20+ years of attending matches.

It was England v Estonia Qualifying match.

Getting to the stadium was a knightmare squashed inside the tube with my face squashed up against the window. Getting inisde Wembley was easy, we then entered what seem like some military state, people being frisked, being told to thrrow all drink containers inside big bins, the largest queues were at the memorabilia stores. Entering the stadium was very underwhelming did it really take £100's millions to build this souless bowl?, and how many years was it in construction? As the game started I looked around to see not a soul standing apart from a very small group in the 'singing section' which was continually targeted by stewards as were the Estonia fans, fans around me continually talked on their phones during the match, only to stop to take photo's, not one person sang a song all game. Even my Dad said it was boring and we decided just to take the piss out of people, I'm sure they heard us and I was almost willing a confrontation to snap me out of my coma.

As for the trip back...don't get me started.

I've read about the American fans coming over for the freindly against England, quite a few comments on our obsession with health & safety, they dont understand how bringing a drum or large flags is against h & s, but they aren't used to it here in the US...They are also expecting some great atmosphere from 80,000 crazy English fans, dont worry I've brought them down to reality.

No doubt the US fans will outsing the english fans all game, what has it come to when American fans are better than ours, but I'm sure the England fans will brush it off, they dont want to believe that. I don't blame them.

The England supporters band are allowed their trumpets and drums!

Just had a text from Peter saying the steward refused to let him take in a bottle of water, saying he could buy one at £1.90 each!! Eventually he gave Peter a cup that he could tip his water in to. Hardly a ideal in a football stadium to carry around a cup of water.

Perhaps the management at Wembley are unaware of the need to drink during the heat to keep yourself hydrated.

Why should you be forced to buy water?

I've asked him to see if they'll supply tap water by the glass. Should be interesting...

Don't they have to by law?

Peter asked for a glass of tap water but man behind counter didn't know if it was drinking or not and was reluctant to let Peter have a glass.

And yes, suspect there is legal requirement. Will see what I can find out with Google.

Having checked, I don't think there is a legal requirement for bars and resturants to serve tap water. Can't find anything for public venues such as Wembley.

However, legal requirement or not, I feel that there is a moral requirement to serve tap water.

Could have sworn I heard somewhere before that it was a legal requirement.

Imagine if someone was feeling faint, had no money, asked for tap water, was refused and then that person passed out. Could leave the venue open to a compensation claim. Not exactly a good H&S procedure to follow for a public venue. Whether it's a legal requirement or not I would say that most places will give tap water if you argue with them a bit - but they will try and get you to spend £2 on bottled water first.

Its not a legal obligation to provide free tap water.

You'd hope most people would tho

Poor old John Portsmouth won't be allowed to take his bell in next week then.

I've always wondered how he got that into grounds anyway, you're not allowed to take a bottle top inside yet they let him take a big metal bell in

I've suggested that Peter send the following to the London Evening Standard:


Dear Standard

In view of your continuing campaign to encourage restuarants to serve tap water on request, I thought you'd be interested in the following.

I attended the FA Vase Final at Wembley today, and while I was expecting to have the top of my plastic bottle of water removed (as is common practice at most football stadiums) I was not expecting to be told I had to surrender the bottle if I wanted entry to the ground. After some 'debate' the steward eventually and reluctantly provided me with a lidless cup and told me that I could decant the water from the bottle into that, if I wanted to take it in. Hardly practical! The alternative was to purchase water inside the ground at the exorbitant cost of £1.90 a bottle.

Once in the ground at one of the refreshment kiosks I asked if I could have a cup of tap water; unfortunately, the employee was not sure if the on tap water was drinkable or not and was therefore reluctant to serve me.

You may recall that prior to last years' FA Cup Final, there was huge outcry at the cost of food and drink at Wembley with fans from both Man Utd and Chelsea boycotting the food in the stadium. To confiscate plastic bottles of water on entry effectively forcing people to buy bottled water inside the ground in hot weather is nothing short of scandalous not to say extremely cynical. If you're unwilling to pay Wembley prices for food, you're not going to starve but unless you're prepared to pay just short of £2.00 for a small bottle of water - particularly for younger and older fans - you're in for an uncomfortable time and after all, no parent would be prepared to let their child go thirsty.

A day out supporting your team is expensive enough as it is and to have to pay for something as basic as water,I think demonstrates nothing short of contempt for football supporters.

I hope the Standard give this story some coverage.

Regards.

Peter

lets hope that's the end of the england band

I'll send Amanda's letter.
Total disgrace that on such a hot day people were told to drink their water at the turnstile or buy a cup inside for £1.90.
Loads of kids there, so for just one drink each a family of 5 would have to pay £9.50 and on a hot day when we could ahve easily been in the ground for 4 hours if game had gone to penalites, you'd need more than one bottle (poured into a cup of course).
I'd like to know what risk assesment decided it was less safe to allow supporters of non league teams, neither with any hint of trouble, to bring in bottles of water (minus cap), than to allow them to dehydrate in the heat.

I had similar at Boston a couple of years back, where I was told I couldn't bring chips into the ground, but could stand in a little hut outside and eat them them (which would have meant missing part of the game as it was then 2.59). They sold chips inside, so draw your own conclusions as to the reason behind that rule...

Peter, if you take Amanda's letter on, I suggest editing the Vase bit seeing as it was the TROPHY final :o

Yes I was going to make that change - Torquay haven't gone down that far - yet!

I had a bottle of water on me at the cup final. Steward told me that I couldn't take it in, and I asked him for a cup to pour the water into. He said he didn't have one. I advised him that I would definitely be needing a drink of water and asked if I could go to the refreshment stand to get myself a cup.

Realising that I wasn't going to stop, he let me through and told me to say that the water was for taking medicine if anyone asked.

I'm going to write to the FA today, so any more experiences of trying to take water into Wembley woudl be welcome.

Also, I was surprised to find virtually no food outlets outside the ground. At the old Wembley there used to be places all down Wembley (Olympic) Way and on the councourse outside, but yesterday there was just one burger stall. Is this an attempt by Wembley to get more fans to buy food inside the ground I wonder?

Peter, I wouldn't be suprised!

Apparently the local council (perhaps in conjection with the FA) are also strict about licencing vendors along Wembley Way meaning buying flags etc isn't easy.

It seems to me that Wembley sums up this kill joy, anti enjoyment,safety first approach this Government have to everything.

What an embarrasement Wemley is, dull, grey and unimaginitive with an oppressive regime in charge with rules and regulations designed to limit your enjoyment of the Wembley Experience or if you do enjoy yourself it is on their terms only.

Whereas Cardiff is fantastic day out with all concerned in the organisation ensuring you have a good a day as is possible.

The tap water at Wembley is drinkable. I drank some at the Muse gig there last year year and I'm still living!

I have ordered tap water at the Millennium Stadium before (although it was at an egg-chasing match :unsure:) along with a couple of beers and they gave me a pint no problem, was getting it for someone having slight vertigo problems!

we didnt have any problems really when we have been their on 2 occaisions, quick search and that was it didnt see much problems they are really slow at the turnstites though

For once I agree with Wembley. they should ban that John Portsmouth clown as well, as he gives football fans a bad name and is a disgrace to our country.

In what way? Dedicated support for 20 years and encouraging noise and atmosphere?

I dont agree with banning those items you need all the help in england you can get, if the atmosphere was good then there would be no need.

Watch this video of York fans and then tell me that drums are bad.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gcl4ZFdinM

Dear god, football is no fun anymore seen as you cant take a pram in! :rolleyes:

"new wembley" was such a tenchhole that the next time we get to a cup final (or even a semi these days!) i won't be going (unless we're playing the mickeys or something to make it worth putting myself through that experience again).

the US fans are tench i've heard them in the world cup and they're quiet as mice as well

We'll see wont we but i expect the US fans to outsing the english, I would expect them all to stand too unless the stewards clamp down.

Pity they dont allow drums as a lot of the US support is driven by the drum, they have more of a latin american style support.

They are all getting free scarfs with their tickets so expect a kop/celtic YNWL display, should look cool.

drums/trumpets ban the trouting band then!

Good to see they took that nobhead's bell off him on saturday. If you were dressed normally and went to take a bell into the ground they wouldn't let you because they'd say it could be used as a weapon yet he can take it in because he dresses like a clown

What a load of crap. Why bother. And they wonder why England are poo. Its because other fans have a 12th man and ours is to busy sorting his overpriced hydration needs to actually support his team and push them onto victory. I went to a Muse gig last year and was not frisked going in, nor was I told to sit down. Whys should it be any different, IN THE SAME VENUE, for a different event. Wembley for me signifies all that is wrong with football nowadays. Although, it could be worse. At Borussia Monchengladbach in Germany, you arn't even allowed to take your pet goat in with you! Ridiculous!

Which day did you go. The 16th or the 17th? I went the 17th. I was right at the front of the main section on pitchside (not the exclusive area). Where were you?

You can see me on their live DVD if you pause it and look carefully after one of the songs!

Oh yeah by the way I agree with you!

You have to come with me to BMG next season. Koln also got promoted so there will be a nice little derby to go to. Lets hope it doesn't clash with Morecambe away!

Drums are banned?

I swear their was one for the conference Play-off final?!? :blink:

They can be taken in if you get a license/permission from Wembley or something.

They all sat and I didnt hear them once...

Thats what I thought might happen. I've never seen them sit before. I guess the performance on the pitch didnt help their cause either. Plus a lot of their songs are driven by drums which I read they weren't allowed inside the ground.

I know a lot of fans decided not to go and instead are going to the WC qualifiers instead, pity though I thought if the more hardcore US fans went it would be funny to hear about them outsinging the english like the world turned upside down.

Ah well.