Well I daresay we have all been tarred with the same brush because of the small few who do fight we have been made to suffer.

So why don't we just let them get on with it. Seriously as long as they are with like minded people out of the way why bother stopping it. They get a ruck (which is what they want) and we go to the football and don't get treated like we have committed murder by the Police.

Its never going to stop because of a few more plod moving the k/o times and closing a few pubs. If people are going to fight they are going to fight and I say let them.



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I in no way promote or have taken part in hooligan activities this is just my opinion.

Stick them in a big field out of the way, let them get on with it and not involve any inocents and im ok with it.

The problem is that normal people get caught up in it a lot of the time!

What we should have is a hooligan pub, where hooligans go if they are looking for a fight!

Then the rest of us normal people can go and get a drink elswhere!

I've always said that. As long as innocent people aren't involved and they are like minded people then let them get on with it. What annoys me is you can get arrested and put in prison for football violence, yet you can go out at the weekend and have a punch up outside a club and more than likely nothing will happen.

I've been caught up in violence outside VP a few times, been hit with a baton 3 times, against Bolton and Leicester both in the Carling Cup and against Man Utd in the FA Cup this season. I wasn't fighting, just stood with hundreds of our fans who were stood goading their fans, up the coach park fences against Bolton and Leicester and the coppers gave me a right whack with the baton, comes bloody sharp! I remember the game against Bolton was when we'd lost in the Carling cup semi, all of our fans seemed up for it that night even the scarfers and our fans were just going round hitting anyone which i disagree with, so in turn the coppers were going round and whacking anyone. There have been quite a few incidents of violence outside VP in the past few seasons, there certainly seems to be a larger hooligan and youth element following us these days.

(not meaning to glorify it btw)

its true. Quite scary. when I went to lincoln with posh earlier this season all the real lads travelled in coaches to avoid the OB on arrival but the youth came by train and filled two carrages. this is Peterborough for christ sake! if you search for your clubs youth often you find their myspace pages and you can see exactly why they are so influenced by it. all images of greenstreet etc and the real lads...

they are a bit of a pain now, just mouthy little trouters who get too pissed for their small frames but in a few years peterboroughs firm will be twice as big... its defo a problem on the rise but what can you do about it???

"Self police" - force them out of your club your selves. We've got a small element, I'm not too fussed about honestly as I prefer the more hostile atmospheres although I don't care for their fighting - wish they'd pick on those who want it and not scarfers - but they certainly add to what can be a hostile atmosphere at our place.

You should see our forum after they've done something "wrong" - funny as trout.

It's never gone away. I'll admit to getting a bit involved a way back but to be honest none of the lads I know really want to hurt anyone. You do get some complete wrong uns though who will happily cut someone or near kill them over a game. Us and Chelsea have had numerous stabbing and slashing incidents culminating in 10 stabbings at the Sloaney Pony (white horse) in the cup game at theirs last season. Spurs have a massive problem with this as it seams everyone even the scarfers like a bit of bother nowdays. It is disgraceful though that people can get 6 years for a punch up yet rapists and even murderers have often got less. Not saying it's right but it is part of the culture of certain clubs and will always be there. I think it's the last bastion where working class lads feel they can show allegiance to something seeing as most other things are frowned on and most feel strangers in their own country. Still not right but if you're beered up and the call goes out it's very hard to avoid.

Don't mind if it's away from the ground let them get on with it. What pisses me off though is when we go to spurs and they're so called ' yid army ' pick on all the scarfers and literally take the piss out of them, kicking, spitting at them etc. But the police stop all the lads and throw them in an escort so the scarfers are left to fight without any real protection from lads that would gladly jump in and help. Spurs are known for this year in year out and I know we're not the only club that get that. Out of order big time.

Thing is though, thats most probably just daft youngsters who managed to pick up a Stone Island cardigan half price in the last boxing day sale. Most 'proper' casuals couldn't give a trout about so-called 'scarfers', and thats a fact. Because our support is tiny to most premier league sides (except Wigan, Reading, Fulham etc etc) you generally know most of the faces, and I also know a few young loonies who are involved in from school and college etc and as much as there are some nutters, they're all generally fair people. I remember a few seasons ago when we get fcuked by our city rivals Hearts 4-1 in the Scottish semi final. I was walking back to the town via the 'hearts' route undercover, up the road there was about 60 Hibs casuals and there was hearts fan left and right of them. The casauls/hooligans whatever you want to call them weren't interested in the slightest in the fans no matter what they were singing, they were only interested in getting to the center of town were the obvisouly had something planned.

Afaid not, I've seen it with my own eyes. Grown men standing on the high road after the game spotting Arsenal fans and then abusing and giving them a slap and these are not just normal men these are kids, women and old people being attacked. Spurs are known for it and if you ask teams like chelsea, west ham etc if they have the same problems they'll probably say yes. The police protection at the place is a nightmare there's a police line with hundreds of police which suddenly ends and then you have to walk the rest of the highroad with not a copper in sight. :rolleyes:

Lets be honest here

Facebook and Hooligan firm should not be used in the same sentence.

P*ss heads hand bagging with p*ss heads will go on till the day the earth comes to an end in any walk of life - not just football.

Perhaps I've been living a sheltered life or completely blind but I'm finding it hard to recall the last time I saw two groups of people who were obviously looking for it having a go

Over rated IMO

Shame the police don't agree. Thats the reason why I started this thread. Why should I (and you) get pushed about by plod because they think everyone at a football match is a hooligan. Now if they just let the brutes get on with it then they know who is innocent and who is not.

Completely agree with that - but the plod have to make arrests or the clubs will start refusing to pay their stupidly high bills

Listen to gooner! Just because modern football has turned your home into a family fun day. I'm glad you all tench your pants when leaving WHL, so you should. If you don't like bother then don't go away to your rivals. As for "spurs are known for it, men women and children" that's trouting bollocks. I have never seen innocent fans beaten on the high road but I wouldn't be surprised if a few slaps have been given out as they are week in week out up and down the country. I have been done over at chelsea, birminghan, lincoln, leicester and cambridge. Why?? Because I was an away fan, I gave no lip, I'm not in a firm or involved in any bother by choice, they just wanted to beat me for being a yid or a poshie.

Its a football problem not a tottenham high road problem...

:lol: Mate I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm all for the intimidating thing but it makes me laugh how all your so called hooligans bounce around giving it large to women and kids and scarfers but when they're confronted by lads on the high road they're no where in sight. That's the problem with you lot you think it's alright to slap scarfers and that's why your the most hated team in London and not for on the pitch reasons. Slapping scarfers is the lowest of the low and it happens way too much, yes it happens at other grounds but I can guarentee yours is the worst for it and how you can defend it is laughable.

You're so full of tench. Let's not start a 'our firms better than your firm' debate shall we as we all know the answer to that and if you had a clue what you were talking about you wouldn't make stupid claims. As for "when confronted by real lads there knowhere to be seen" what the trout! Arsenal have never had a good rep that's why its all about chelsea for Yids as you lot are nothing.

I think you're letting your bad feelings about spurs cloud your vision mate. One question though, why should any goons feels safe on the high road? You're hated in Tottenham remember

I ain't into the hooligan thing but it's a well known fact that Kings x was a bad day for your lot and a good one for ours when we beat you 3-1. But enough of that just answer one question do you think it's right that scarfers are attacked year after year by grown men?

All these claims on a forum with nothing to back it up. I have had the tench kicked out of me all over the place so there is no way you can say tottenham is any worse than anywhere else."Year on year" yet I have only seen real lads kicking off in my whole time of watching spurs. Typical goon

Leave it out. Know a few yids that are emabressed by the actions of some of your lot after the games we play at your place, nice of you to answer my question though. :rolleyes:

at posh today it kicked off right next to the away fans, about 30 blokes charged the coppers a few punches and a few taken away. That's them banned for at least 3 years, tits! That happened in the first half and at half time the chairman addressed the crowd asking that they don't go on the pitch and then gave the hools a special mention telling them they are not welcome! Got to be a first?!?!?

Why answer a question that trys to state facts with trout all to back it up...

Alright mate, let me get a my picture book out and show you my observations. :lol: Just understand the facts, scarfers are attacked by your lot every year at your place, just walk down the high road and look at all the spotters looking for arsenal fans to pick off, how trouting sad, 40 year old men on there phones spotting kids of 14. <_<

You're boring me with your biast bulltench

Just read your post again "40yo men spotting kids of 14" get real mate, even a goon can't talk that kind of bollocks and believe it...PMSL

FFS I expereinced it when I was 14 with my old man so I'm not talking tench but just keep denying it like most yids do, we're never going to agree so let's end it here.

Too true

Kings Cross a bad day for us ?
Listen to yourself. Whilst I don't want to turn this into a hooligan debate lets have some facts here shall we ? All day Spurs had been looking for you with huge numbers. You declined and hid in a pub. Eventually your found by 20 or so Tottenham who did a suicide mission and went after your 70 or so. I call that having some front pal. As for the other bit that's bollocks as well. You get grief at WHL for piping up in the ground and tenchting yourselves outside good. If a few mouth 15 year olds want to shout the odds inside and are then spotted so trouting what . As for not wanting to know when you have lads there . When is that exactly ? I see you managed to get 20 into the Coach and Horses this season. We all know what happened there don't we ? You found out 40 or so Spurs were on the way and ran out onto the High Rd and into Sainsbury's before they arrived. Behave yourself you are light years away from us off the pitch pal. Not the place to discuss this but don't talk such bollacks. 300 Spurs over your place early doors in the first leg and you did nothing. 300 Tottenham walking down Holloway rd and you did nothing. They even banged on pub windows as they walked by to get a response and you did nothing. Then after the game they were fighting with the police and you did nothing. Now if we pulled that stunt at West Ham there would be carnage .
I hope your beatings last for many a year at the Lane don't come if you don't like it end of.

Sorry everyone else just winds me up trying to score points .

Yeaaah, was a propaaa row.

Arsenal cant even step in our manooooooor, we had the numbers aaat.

This sounds so trouting ridiculous, your effectivly slagging of Arsenal for not having a hooligan element, youve completly missed the point of gooner1.

Arsenal may not have the best 'firm' (which i care little about), but i think in this day an age why the hell should you be able to go and watch the football? Okay with rivals abit of hatred is good, your implication that if you cant come and fight you shouldnt come at all is an embarassment.

Your going to get 15 year olds giving it large everywhere, no need to get all worked up about it, im not meaning to criticize spurs at all, but your post came across as something from a sub par Cass Pennant book, dire.

It's a load of sh*te anyway.

There are a load of kids (15-20) walking around at United 'looking for it' who in a one on one are no different to your average lad on the street.

I certainly wouldn't be worried if I came up against any of them on a friday night in town etc etc...

When United play away it's a big day for a lot of the home town inbreds, yet I've still not seen a proper punch up in about 3 years.

The last proper 'fight' with numbers I can remember is when Arsenal's 'firm' (:D) tried battering anyone in a United shirt after the Villa Park semi final 2004, until the bulk of the United lads came out after celebrating a glorious victory and proceeded to chase them all around Birmingham.

You can go to Anfield and not have a problem, I never feel threatened or on edge at any ground in the country.

It's all a load of bollocks.

:lol: Biggest load of bulltench I've ever read but this aint the place for it so trout it one of the admins close the thread please because know ones going to agree.

'''Hundreds''' of spurs walking down holloway road in a police escort, you did nothing

:lol:

Give it a rest.

Im no hooligan, but the turnout from everyone for that game was poor, fans, lads, who ever, and it was embarassing, worse derby in years.

So yids walking down Holloway/Blackstock road in big numbers unchallenged is some sort of regular occurance? lol, sure.

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*Takes off stone island jacket*

This is all jolly nnnnnnooooorrrrrrrrrrrttttttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

Im sure the majority of scarfers were left alone in that incident 'we are not yids' ;) .

me neither - i sometimes think all this "bovva" exists solely in the over-active imaginations of a few excitable walter mittys

I blame Green street/FF

Not that day pal.

Oh well, I'm sure we'd have been the same if we'd just got p*ssed on in an FA Cup semi final despite being 'invincible' and 'unbeatable' ;)

<_<

Back to the original interesting post by the Luton fan. I certainly think the best thing would be to legalise hooliganism under regulation. I recently did an essay on the legalisation of drugs and concluded that legalisation is the best way to regulate. Also from a utilitarian perspective, which I believe in, if fighting makes the people involved happy, they should be allowed to do it. It doesn't even need to be looked down on, it is an individuals choice.

It could be safely regulated as said in a field, no knifes and other rules and the police could step in at the end. I think people are often too worried of suggestions which gives people destiny over their own lives. Football hooliganism should be a choice. I know it is radical and would be complicated to arrange, but like the drug problem, prohibition is not working, no matter what the police try.

Now can we get back to an interesting topic rather than bickering about who's got the biggest gang

At last some common sense. Bloody hell I didn't start this thread for a Spurs Vs Arsenal slagging match. We took your pub no we took yours.
For fcks sake grow up

I started this because of the amount of times myself and reading on here people have been affected be it by the police them selfs or by moving k/o times or shutting pubs because of the threat of trouble. Its pointless you should see the plod round here on a Millwall home game as they still think what happened in 85 will happen again.

Whatever the police do they wont stop people having a fight so if they want one so much let them and let us go to the pub and go to the game in peace.

Not too sure what to think of the whole hooligan debate. Although nobody deserves to have the tench kicked out of them at any sort of sporting event, I do think that it's the elements of traditional support that help give football matches a bit of bite. Anybody seen the difference at England (in terms of atmosphere) since the banning orders have come into effect? Anyway, would it really make a difference if it were completely stamped out? surely it would make things that are all too prevalent in this country rear their ugly head in a more extreme way elsewhere. I think certain clubs like Stoke and Cardiff are alwys going to have their fair share of "boys".