Luton Town Vs Millwall

Police everywhere.

I admit no problem to us Luton fans and realy we need a Millwall fan to give their view but from what I saw:

I could tell they were late bringing in the away fans essort from the station. Up till about 10 minutes it was half empty. With half of the crowd coming in only 2 entrances could be protenialy dangerous with crushing with the volume of people coming in and with the people already inside.

After Millwall scored they piled in and looked like they were dragging someone out. dont know what for it could be for a good reason it could be for something stupid. Who knows I am just saying from what I saw. It took alot of them aswell.

After this about 50 police stayed in the away end and lined the stairs and stood at the back a (isn' t this dangerous. "keep gangways free at all times" :rolleyes: )

Never tried to get anyone to sit down home & away fans (which they never do) which is good

This is what got me

During a game with at least 50 police in the away end one of them still managed to chuck a flare onto the pitch. And the look on the police faces they didnt even do anything they were just there staring at it. So with that much police there they still couldnt prevent someone from

*brininging in a flare
*Getting it out
*lighting it
*and chucking it on the pitch

What the trout are these people doing here now myself personaly I wouldnt mind flares in like they have in europe( but keeping with the current law and realy it is not the British thing like it is other there) theres the signs telling us not to bring in them. I know with people doing things like this it would make the police say their extra presence is needed.

No it ain't, yes be there but your not even doing your effing job properly in the first place. I know the fan shouldnt bring in the flare in the first place but I thought its your place to stop it from being brought in. And things like this being prevented

Coming out the police were everywhere. even shut off a few roads gates etc so people had to walk the long way round( I didnt see this just from what I heard as I head the other way home).

Not one hint of trouble after the game. :D Yes thats right now stick to catching real crimnals like the bloke who robbed the shop on Bishopscote road and prevent people from chucking flares and leave innocent football fans alone.

Edit: Im not complaining about the flare being thrown . They look brilliant. This is about the police being totaly OTT and crap.

No wonders Bedfordshire police force is one of the worst in the country.
:rolleyes:

Seen the flare on Sky Sports News. Quality B)

Any pics of it? Apparntly the police didn't know how to deal with it and just left it there burning, delaying the game for 2 mins, all they had to do was pick it up and move it or just stomp on the thing :blink: :D

Exactley my point proven in that sentance they are useless. Yes the flare did look good. Sorry havnt got a pic though.

Flares are quite simply ace.

They do but what I am going on about is the polices total incomptinace *spelling*

flares do look quality just aint really been the british way leave all that to the europeans, by the way who's fans are they?

Yeah, fair enough.

Does make me laugh when the press go bonkers about a single flare in this country. Taking those photos (on the running track at the Marakana in Belgrade :) ) I quickly learned to watch the firemen.

If something landed, and they strolled over and picked it up and chucked it in a bucket, no problem.

If something landed, and they stood looking at it, I stood behind them.

If something landed, and they turned and ran, I followed them as fast as possible :D

They're Partizan fans, by the way, after taking the lead at Red Star.

Yeah i seen the flare on SSN.. what a joke lmao the police and stewards standing there as if its a time-bomb... :lol:

On a serious note, where can you buy flares from? I personally don't like them but i assumed they we're illegal??

Marine shops or you can even buy them, aswell as smoke bombs and fireworks etc online

i think its much easier to get them abroad than it is over here as if they sold flares etc in local markets and stuff i guarentee you would see more in british grounds

I don't see any place for flares in football grounds.
What is the point?
Yes the media go well over the top as if they are a terrible thing, but they do fuel those who still think that football supporters are hooligans & a riot is waiting to break out at every game.

I'm with you. I don't get what all the fuss is about (from either side of the argument) but i'd be very happy with a rule that simply said you can't throw anything at the pitch. Can't imagine why anybody would ever want to lob something at the pitch other than if they were trying to hurt someone.

So what if they give ammunition to anyone close-minded enough to relate trying to create a more interesting atmosphere to being a football hooligan. Standing even though it's 'illegal' leads of a lot of people to make comments about how football fans are just a bunch of criminals, hooligans etc. Should we stop doing that?! The same can be said for swearing in the ground, singing on the train etc etc, should we stop these things?!

Anyone who has been to a match in Italy, Spain or EE where flares have been used knows they certainly add something to the atmosphere. That's the 'point' I guess. Same as standing and singing.

Fair enough. Still it doesnt compenstate the Polices total overkill. Like I said we need a Millwall fan to give their say as they saw it (Im trying to get one I know to sign up as we speak)

I don't think i can think of an actual Millwall who has posted on the forum, I'm going to have a search for a Millwall board to try and encourage them to join the campaign.

Well theres one now I see hes signed up (millwallcon)

here he is, Way i look at it is its easy to get a flare in a ground anywhere. Atl luton we were all searched. Only thing is i had a phone in my pcket which made a bulge. He felt it but how does he know its a phone. They dont check these things in depth. no bags were being searched either.

I dont mind telling you that the policing at Kenilworth was sht.

My opinion of police in football though overall is they cause more trouble than they prevent. Obviously you need them there but the force they use and there numbers there is no need for.

Welcome to the forum, currently we don't have many contributors from Millwall but hopefully through my thread on your forum more will join up and add strength to our campaign. I imagine there would be a lot of Millwall fans who would prefer to stand than sit if given the choice!

Absolutley. We are a very old school side and we would all rather have the good old terraces than these new stadiums.

Its odd, a flare thrown on the pitch in europe no-one cares but in england it makes the bloody news. :angry:

Whatever people think if flares are good or bad the police messed up big time full-stop (not just on the flare, Im sure connor would agree on the essort being late he was in there after all).

They will more than likely use the fans as a scapegoat though using this to justify more police at games, honestly I wouldnt be surpised they moved the away game to 12.30 ,whatever difference that would make on the back of this.



And as for it making the news that just pathetic.

Let's look at it from the other side though.

Can you see the authorities turning a blind eye in the country to some fella lighting what is basically molton hot sparks in a tightly packed area?

The potenial for burning somebody (along with yourself) added to the choking fumes people behind you will get, it's hardly Health & Safety gone mad to expect poeple not to do it.

Mind you it looks good for the camera :rolleyes:

Yes but what is being said is the police should have been right on this fella straight away. there is something going on now with our club to try and find out who it was. Why dont the police know? they were there so why haven't they done anything about it.

how the bloke can get it in the ground, Get it ouit light it and lob it without getting seen by any copper is beyond me.

I've not seen the picture but I'd guess he would be in the middle of a tight bunch of lads.

Easy to get in, how many pad downs do you get that are any good (couple of stella's at half time anyone?)

Plod would of taken one look and decided not to bother because:

- The potenial for disorder trying to get him out would of been to much
- They know it would be CCTV'd up and so edged their bets in the hope of finding him after.
- Their lazy and like doing nothing for the overtime

Throwing of anything, especially something like a flare, can only strengthen the case against standing areas. The argument will be that it is much easier for someone to be seen and dealt with if everyone is sitting than if standing, especially on a terrace.

Individuals are of course free to express their own views, but the view of SUSD must be that we do not condone the throwing of flares or any objects.

I dont think I should of started this thread now. anyway

Like Peter SUSD said throwing anything onto the pitch is wrong.

Its probley gone out into the media because it is "Millwall" . I daresay if we did it it would not be known by anyone. (actully we have at Liverpool away this season, not a big one like yesterday but some smoke deffently(to much to be a someone having a fag) went up from our end you wouldnt of been able to see it from the other end mind Also it stayed in the stand and was not chucked so maybe it was different.)

Flares they do look impressive when in displays. This one was not though. He does football fans no favours in genernal though whoever threw it. It will jusitfy the Polices motives of putting extra men out and re arrange fixtures.

But back to why I started this thread. The police in genernal were crap they caused a situation by pileing in the away end after they scored. Let them celebrate. They made most of their fans who traveled by train to miss the first 10 minutes which also could of caused a accident with many people coming into a small area at one time.

Its these which are more important than the flare. Of course the Police are going to use the flare to blame the fans while their bad doing goes unoticed.

Blimey how many other people speak for the away fans lol :ph43r:

This police tactic of escorting away fans to the ground very close to kick off time seems to be increasingly common. It may be that they only want to do one escort, so wait for all the trains to arrive before moving off. However, as we all know, fans arriving later was a contributory factor to Hillsborough, but that seems to be forgotton in the interest of 'preventing disorder' or simply convenience of the police.

Off course its for the Police. I reckon they enjoy the football shifts I realy do.

IMO the answer is more thorough searches outside the ground (like in Germany, thought I'd got laid or something after I'd been frisked outside the Allianz!) and less coppers/stewards standing about inside trying to look frightening but not really doing much worthwhile.

If there is a possibility of disorder, then the first priority of the police/stewards should be to thoroughly search for anything that could be a dangerous weapon (and I don't mean f*cking plastic bottle tops btw) or things which aren't weapons but could be harmful like flares, rather than all the other piddling crap they bother with (such as acting like it's the Peasant's Revolt when a few people bowl down the front of the stand when their team scores...)

No - it absolutely does not justify any of the "extra" measures. I've already made my feelings clear above that i don't agree with anything being thrown at the pitch but, even in the instance where this happens, this does not justify the police presence. A flare (or anything else short of an actual bomb!) landing on the pitch is something that could be sorted out in a second by a steward or even just some randomn photographer / st.john's ambulance guy sat on the touchline. Absolutely no need for 100 police officers to deal with the possibility somebody might chuck a flare. Sledgehammer / walnut.

I know it doesnt. What I was trying to say is the Police will use it to justify putting more personal out. Sorry I worded it wrong I dont think 100s of policemen should be about at a football match.

i don't feel you need hundreds of police out at games but you certainly need a fair few out in certain games but they definetly cause more trouble tthan prevent

no ltfc - sorry about that - i wasn't suggesting you thought it justified the police presence. i got your original post - sorry you misunderstood mine.

Ahh ok got ya. No problem ;)

They do but shouldn't IMHO.

In the continent flares are used to make a pretty picture but alot of it is that little bit rebelion that the Ultras mentality has and is merely just giving the authorities the two fingers as they have outlawed them.

When it comes to police at Football, I think the FCUM fans say it best!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCXHbCYvzjI&feature=related

Swindon police decided to move our game tomorrow a whole hour back to 2pm...because of that all leeds fans are going the be as sober as a judge arent they !!!

Do clubs just pay for the police at the ground then i assume ???

York City away to Torquay United moved from Sat 8. to Fri 7 cos Plymouth are playing Sheff United on Sat too. Can't be arsed anymore.

This sums them up.

Police not doing their jobs properly? Surely not!