Title: Bbc "most Read"- Football Violence
john_lcfc - February 23, 2008 07:41 PM (GMT)
trouble everywhere today between us and cov... we are rivals and they have let us have the 3:00PM kick off for a while now even though it is a cat C game. 12:00PM next year me thinks :(.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventr...ire/7260710.stmAlso last week there was a load of trouble against.....Norwich of all teams which hit the local headlines and made the beeb webbsy...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicest...ire/7249241.stmI thought this type of crap never happened anymore. Is there trouble following your team?...we certainly still have idiots following us around.... Do you think this harms our campaign?
Im particularly worried about this bit. "Assistant Chief Constable Stuart Hyde of West Midlands Police said: "This was a determined effort to cause violence and our response has been swift.
"It does emphasise the need for extra police resources on match days and in and around football grounds
does this mean more police than there already are and we will all get tarnished with the same old same old even more... <_<
JTsBlueArmy - February 23, 2008 07:48 PM (GMT)
I can see a lot stories popping up sunday night/monday morning after tommorows game, rumours going around police closing all pubs within a mile of wembley and baker street
red_rose - February 23, 2008 07:54 PM (GMT)
Been trouble at a few of our games this season and ye a fair few nutters still follow us.
To be honest I dont see how it would harm the campaign seeing as it is for standing areas to be re-introduced. Fighting in the city centre or whatever has nothing to do with standing.
Amanda - February 23, 2008 08:56 PM (GMT)
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| "It does emphasise the need for extra police resources on match days and in and around football grounds |
And further down in the article, doesn't it say that this happened miles away from the ground?
No, I don't think it does harm the campaign and only think it would there was trouble between two sets of fans inside a ground.
LongtonLeeds - February 23, 2008 09:32 PM (GMT)
i have been coventry twice with leeds and once with stoke and all three there was trouble !!! Stoke they tried to get in our coach where three of us where and with leeds it was just hand bags and afew fistycuffs
I enjoy coventry away it has to be said...
Reppz - February 23, 2008 09:41 PM (GMT)
Yeah i seen a fair bit of trouble outside the ground and one pub a couple of miles away was full with police. Seems to be happening alot more frequently now..
Hodgson - February 25, 2008 12:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JTsBlueArmy @ Feb 23 2008, 07:48 PM) |
| I can see a lot stories popping up sunday night/monday morning after tommorows game, rumours going around police closing all pubs within a mile of wembley and baker street |
Did that for the cup final last year. Told most places to shut.
Went round looking and the few places that was open was full, then went in currys but the security chucked us out but in the end found a hotel bar to watch it in.
utterly stupid though.
Utd 90210 - February 25, 2008 12:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hodgson @ Feb 25 2008, 12:08 AM) |
| QUOTE (JTsBlueArmy @ Feb 23 2008, 07:48 PM) | | I can see a lot stories popping up sunday night/monday morning after tommorows game, rumours going around police closing all pubs within a mile of wembley and baker street |
Did that for the cup final last year. Told most places to shut.
Went round looking and the few places that was open was full, then went in currys but the security chucked us out but in the end found a hotel bar to watch it in.
utterly stupid though.
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Yeah we were starting to get so frustrated/angry at not being able to find an open pub showing the game because the game had kicked off and we still hadn't found anywhere. Lucky we found that hotel when we did!
Can't understand why the police would want people out roaming the streets getting frustrated instead of having them inside a pub relaxed and enjoying the game.
purpleronnie - February 25, 2008 11:05 AM (GMT)
Trouble away from grounds still happens (probably more common than most people think). Most of it gets unreported.
Not much chance of violence inside stadiums anymore so arranging trouble away from the ground away from police (and maybe cameras) is more appealing to these 'fans'.
purpleronnie - February 25, 2008 11:09 AM (GMT)
There is a thread about this on leicesters forum some unpleasant scenes at the game including leicester fans fighting with themselves and weapons being seized.
cityman - February 25, 2008 12:26 PM (GMT)
Trouble outside the ground doesn’t harm the campaign and trouble inside shouldn’t also. Not that I’m advocating it!
If people are determined to cause trouble inside grounds, it makes no difference whether the ground is all-seater or it has standing areas. If the Government’s argument is that it’s easier to control people in seated areas and that this is one of the reasons for less trouble in grounds, where’s the evidence? Isn’t it more to do with improved policing in grounds, CCTV, etc?
In Maine Road’s last 15 years, the four largest crowd disturbances that I can recall all involved people in seated areas alone. And there was trouble with Birmingham fans inside COMS this season.
shrenchel - February 25, 2008 12:32 PM (GMT)
Trouble away from grounds still happens (probably more common than most people think). Most of it gets unreported.
Not much chance of violence inside stadiums anymore so arranging trouble away from the ground away from police (and maybe cameras) is more appealing to these 'fans'.[QUOTE]
Exactly. It has happened to be reported by the local media for the last couple of weeks when usually it isn't, which is leading some people to think it's a newly revived problem affecting just us.
I have heard of much worse trouble involving Leicester fans in the last couple of seasons which I never saw any media coverage of. Some city fans are acting like it's something that has only started occurring again in the last two weeks and Leicester and cov are the only club which woulda had 'fans' involved in a fight this weekend.
Reppz - February 25, 2008 01:47 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (cityman @ Feb 25 2008, 12:26 PM) |
Trouble outside the ground doesn’t harm the campaign and trouble inside shouldn’t also. Not that I’m advocating it!
If people are determined to cause trouble inside grounds, it makes no difference whether the ground is all-seater or it has standing areas. If the Government’s argument is that it’s easier to control people in seated areas and that this is one of the reasons for less trouble in grounds, where’s the evidence? Isn’t it more to do with improved policing in grounds, CCTV, etc?
In Maine Road’s last 15 years, the four largest crowd disturbances that I can recall all involved people in seated areas alone. And there was trouble with Birmingham fans inside COMS this season. |
i memba going to maine road for a cup game ages ago an ther was a lot of trouble afta man city scored a last minute winner after cov had dominated most of the game.
never forget that..
cityman - February 25, 2008 02:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Reppz @ Feb 25 2008, 01:47 PM) |
| QUOTE (cityman @ Feb 25 2008, 12:26 PM) | Trouble outside the ground doesn’t harm the campaign and trouble inside shouldn’t also. Not that I’m advocating it!
If people are determined to cause trouble inside grounds, it makes no difference whether the ground is all-seater or it has standing areas. If the Government’s argument is that it’s easier to control people in seated areas and that this is one of the reasons for less trouble in grounds, where’s the evidence? Isn’t it more to do with improved policing in grounds, CCTV, etc?
In Maine Road’s last 15 years, the four largest crowd disturbances that I can recall all involved people in seated areas alone. And there was trouble with Birmingham fans inside COMS this season. |
i memba going to maine road for a cup game ages ago an ther was a lot of trouble afta man city scored a last minute winner after cov had dominated most of the game.
never forget that..
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That's one of my four.
Coventry were given all the North Stand for an FA Cup game and some decided to try to get into our Main Stand - the part where it was mainly OAPs. Tartan blankets and thermos flasks scattered everywhere.
But just goes to show there's no correlation between standing and trouble.
jonboilfc - February 25, 2008 03:03 PM (GMT)
(not that i agree with it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uGeruw8CKc but yes violence happens on a weekly basis all around britain it just doesn't have the media coverage it used too. cardiff v sheffield wednesday 30 fans were arrested the other day all in the city centre with no reports of trouble in the ground
Amanda - February 25, 2008 03:08 PM (GMT)
Jon
Why is it a good video of the violence? What is good about violence?
I've had several people tell me now that they're put off using the forum due to people preferring to discuss fighting than campaign related issues.
Final warning, no more talk about hooliganism in that context please.
I do not want this site turned into a competition as to who can post the "best" videos.
Thank you.
jonboilfc - February 25, 2008 03:11 PM (GMT)
everyone else is talking about violence and i'm the one with the warning :( , thats not exactly fair is it. maybe i worded it wrong but it shows how the police actually police the games etc and i think it is releven t to this thread
Amanda - February 25, 2008 03:23 PM (GMT)
Jon
Because they're talking about it in a factual way and not posting up Youtube videos saying they're good!!
But can you all please bear in mind the aims and objectives of this forum and think before you post?
There is still trouble connected to football, it is foolish to pretend otherwise and I'm not saying don't talk about it, just be careful how you talk about it.
jonboilfc - February 25, 2008 03:29 PM (GMT)
yeah of course i didn't mean it in that way at all and i will bear it in mind in the future
Reppz - February 25, 2008 06:25 PM (GMT)
I reckon if this had been any of the big four clubs having a huge pre-arranged hooligan fight it would of made front-page news... their the only clubs the media are interested in..
tbh444 - February 25, 2008 07:16 PM (GMT)
Found it very strange that they chose Earlsdon, this is where I live when back home and to be honest is probably one of the poshest suburbs of Coventry, and it is indeed a bugger of a way from the ground :angry: plus is the opposite side from Leicester too.
It is probable that the police and local media will make a far bigger deal of the this due to the kind of people who would have been inconvenienced. As well as being moronic behaviour by the people involved it will of course inconvenience the rest of us with increased policing, and of course they'll use it to justify more controls in the ground, even if nobody involved actually went to the match.
Hodgson - February 25, 2008 07:19 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Utd 90210 @ Feb 25 2008, 12:17 AM) |
| QUOTE (Hodgson @ Feb 25 2008, 12:08 AM) | | QUOTE (JTsBlueArmy @ Feb 23 2008, 07:48 PM) | | I can see a lot stories popping up sunday night/monday morning after tommorows game, rumours going around police closing all pubs within a mile of wembley and baker street |
Did that for the cup final last year. Told most places to shut.
Went round looking and the few places that was open was full, then went in currys but the security chucked us out but in the end found a hotel bar to watch it in.
utterly stupid though.
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Yeah we were starting to get so frustrated/angry at not being able to find an open pub showing the game because the game had kicked off and we still hadn't found anywhere. Lucky we found that hotel when we did!
Can't understand why the police would want people out roaming the streets getting frustrated instead of having them inside a pub relaxed and enjoying the game.
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Yeah and the dibble were saying 'its nothing to do with us'
:lol: wtf!!
Utd 90210 - February 25, 2008 11:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Hodgson @ Feb 25 2008, 07:19 PM) |
Yeah and the dibble were saying 'its nothing to do with us' :lol: wtf!! |
Was such a joke. I went out around the Wembley area the evening before the game to see what the situation was with pubs showing the game because i had heard the rumour (which turned out to be true) about pubs within 1 mile of Wembley Stadium being shut during the game. Loads of pubs advertising that they would be showing it. And even on the morning of the game the Torch bar staff were saying that they were showing it. The Police mustn't have told all the pubs they would have to shut, they must have just come in a shut them before the game. And then some of the police not knowing that it was themselves who shut the pubs. Jokers.
Sorry for going off-topic!