Still fans BHB?

Looks like they could push the Glazers for the award to the most c.untish owners award in years to come.

Pair of knobheads.

they are twats and personally feel they will ruin the club in time

They're well on their way.

I just feel slightly agrieved that you all bent over with your arse in the air as soon as they came sniffing around. I expected better.

Yes, the Glazers are in, and we have a full ground most weeks. But a good few thousand of us can say we gave it a f.ucking good go. And believe me we did.

I feel sorry for you lads, you are in the same position as us. A good 10,000 who care, and another few hundred thousand who couldn't give a s.hit.

Why would be hostile to them when they came in though?

We had no reason to be. They bought the club with personal money, loans secured on personal assets, not plunging the club into debt like Glazier. Completely different animal.

The Glazier takeover was impossible to stop. United were a PLC so prime for a takeover and impossible to prevent it. Whereas we sought investment, went out and chose Gillett and Hicks.

We had an agreement with DIC. They then came back with a lower evaluation of the club, so we spoke to the yanks and a deal was struck. Moores gave Parry the job of sounding them out. Looks like Parry failed in a big way.

Moores will be absolutely beside himself with the way they've treated the club, going against every traditon we've got. He was lied to, like we all were.

It's all well and good in hindsight though.

They've abused our trust, lied to us and dragged our name through the mud. Horrible tenchbags.

trust the yanks to ruin two of the most succesful clubs in english history

Call it Naivety on your part. I knew exactly what would happen from day one. We'd been through the lies and the bullshi.t ourselves. And not believed a word of it, thank god.

I see your point but I think you, as a fan base, could have been way more clued up on who you decided to choose for this 'Investment'..A lot of people knew from day one what they were in it for. Short term, personal gain. End of story.

i think everyone knew that deep down and if they didn't it was pretty obvious a couple of billionnare yanks come in not having a clue about football or the history and culture of the club and people think they were in it to help the fans they're in it for the money and as soon as they have sucked liverpool dry they will trout off back to the states

You didn't know at all - you guessed, based on what had happened at your own club.

Did you think the same of the American's going into Aston Villa? The baldy fella at West Ham?

Glazier never came in promising the world. Glazier wasn't selected by your Chief Executive and current Chairman as the man to take your club forward. Glazier wasn't recommended by anyone - it was a hostile takeover nobody could do anything about. We had the choice. And chose to sell. In hindsight, it was a bad choice.

Naivety doesn't come into it.

They haven't come in and bumped up ticket prices and tench on us directly. They've come in, had a falling out with the manager and think they can just hire and fire and wash our dirty linen in public, no the Liverpool way of doing things. That's what's pissed everyone off.

They've bitten off more than they can chew. Underestimated the cost of the new stadium, been hit by the credit crunch. A number of things really. And they just don't understand the way football works.

The sooner they sell up the better.

i have heard from various people that if they leave they will leave the club in ruins due to debts do you know if there is any truth behind that or just a load of tenche

I've tried and tried, but I just can't ignore this any longer.

Punctuation. PLEASE. Spelling too if we're really pushing the boat out but one step at a time.

Ticket prices will rise, they're not stupid, they know that, even if 8000 people give up their season tickets, you have got the demand to fill the gap...United fans know this to their cost. Do you seriously believe it won't happen? Wisen up lid ;)

Villa and West Ham don't have armies of glory hunters. Their owners know this. They have to appease the match going fans at all costs. Do ours? Do they f.uck.

They might do in future, but at the minute, they haven't. So we can't criticise them on that score. It's all guess work.

This is more to do with the way they're treating the club as a toy and making a show of it in public than anything else. Walking all over a manager that's brought us some of the best nights of our lives and working with a limited budget, in comparison to our competition, to bring us success - despite being told by our new owners they'd back him massively in the transfer market. They haven't done that. Rafa has only spent what he usually spends this summer.

We spend £20m on Torres and get £3.5m back for Garcia in the deal, and automatically expect the league - despite United sending the same on an average midfielder in Carrick. We've just spent £6m on a defender, breaking our transfer record for a defender, United can go out and spend £30m on a centre half.

Yet all that gets reported is Benitez has spent big and must deliver. It's bollocks. Man City and Tottenham have spent more than him! Tottenham get Darren Bent for the same money we paid for Torres. Who got the better deal?

The yanks just don't understand it. Lies, lies and more lies.

sorry about the punctuation i'm normally in a lecture when i post so i tend rush them

The biggest thing for me is that Liverpool have always done things in the boardroom behind closed doors. The press never sniffed around as they knew they wouldn't get a story.

There was even a director who had to resign for going to the Daily Mirror a couple of years back.

Now these two idiots come along, they know nothing about football and it would seem they just want to be in the papers every day.

As BHB says, their PR at the start was spot on, we would have looked like fools protesting, but now they, especially Hicks, are showing their true colours.

The fact is, they don't have the money to fund (even with some debt) a new stadium and they don't have the nouse to run a football club.

I cannot see how they can remain as they continue to act like 2 drunken sailors on the rampage through a china shop

It was Noel White that spoke out a while back, and he had to give up his position on the board because of it.

The club was in the hands of Moore's and his family for a long, long time. Looked after by Peter Robinson and everything was kept behind closed doors. Moore's just couldn't afford to keep Liverpool up there competing with United and Chelsea. The bar had been raised in a big way, and he just couldn't afford to personally finance the new ground. A new ground that is needed in order to increase our turnover and be able to compete financially with the others. We're falling behind every year. One look at the financial reports of the top clubs tells you everything.

Moore's tasked Rick Parry with seeking out suitable investors, and spent around 3 years looking. An agreement was reached with DIC at the end of 2006. DIC then came back with a lower evaluation, went back on their agreement. Gillett and Hicks stepped in and coughed up £1,000 per share more than DIC were prepared to. Moore's trusted Parry's judgement and the club was sold. Parry pocketed his £500,000 bonus for seeking investment, that he actually wrote into his own contract! Parry's silence in these past few months has been defeaning!!

Myself and 2 others sat in a room with Rick Parry and Ged Poynton the day before we played Birmingham at home. Mainly to discuss the standing issues in our block amongst other RTK related issue. He agreed to a Question and Answer session that we hosted in the summer when he was roasted. In the latest sit down, he agreed to a follow up to that Q&A session. We're still waiting on a date from him. Looks like he's shirked it.

It was his incompetance that led to the communication break down between Benitez and the Americans in November. This is all fact. Benitez gave Parry a list of the players he wants and the players he would like to offload. The communication process was that Benitez spoke to Parry. Parry then informed the Americans. When Benitez hadn't heard anything back, and proded Parry countless times with no joy, he contacted Gillett and Hicks direct to chase up his requests. Players on free transfers and the sales of Scott Carson etc. It was an e-mail he sent and left a message over the phone.

On recieving that message from Benitez, Tom Hicks rang up Benitez and played hell with him. Telling him to go through Rick Parry, forget about transfers until they were over in December and concentrate on coaching and managing the players he already had. Hicks rang the press and said the same and asked them to publish a big rant. Only some of which went to press.

Benitez went straight into that infamous press conference immediately after that phone call from Hicks, which is why he was late for it, and that is why he just kept repeating, "I am focusing only on coaching my team". It was also the reason he wore a tracksuit at Newcastle away the next day. Making his statement.

He went to Parry and handed in his notice on the Monday. That is when Parry admitted he didn't pass on the requests to Gillett and Hicks.

He's a clown, an absolute clown!

And remember, he was also instrumental in setting up The Premier League and the FLA. The two biggest contributers to the destruction of OUR game.

Rant over!

Anybody who allowed any septic in to their club open armed needs their head read. They are in sport to make money pure and simple.

Nothing more and nothing less

*waits for purpleronnie to come and tell us how americans care so much more about the fans*

:rolleyes:

BHB/JohnBoil, whats the general opinion of them on the forums? Is there a divide between scouse fans opinions and the rest?

Isn't that why everyone "investing" in football..??

Nobody is kidding themselves they are in it just for the fun.

But it was expected that they would just act as the custodians and all the other rubbish they spouted when they first came in. That David Moores would remain as an honourary life president to keep the clubs traditions, history and integrity intact. But instead they've just gone direct to the press and making a show of the club in public. Definitely not sticking to their promises.

They've not backed the manager in the transfer market as they promised. They've not delivered the new stadium as they promised. They are now looking to secure the debt / loans against the club and not their personal wealth / assets as promised.

We had no reasons to doubt them at the time. The PR was spot on and we trusted the men in charge at our club to have done their homework on who the club was being sold to. That trust was abused by all parties.

If we'd have had Glazier style protests when they first took over, they'd all have been without substance and made us look like idiots. Completely different animal to the one your lot were involved with. Surely you can see that?

Opinions on what?

I think pretty much everyone has now turned against the Americans.

If the forums are anything to go by, most at WHU are happy with our new owners.

I'm not persuaded and was amazed at how the masses fell at Eggy's feet when he promised Champions League football and am still amazed at how the majority think that we will fill at 60,000 seater stadium and welcome the move....

The more FC Uniteds there are, the better as far as I'm concerned.

I'd volunteer to go in goal... make yourself big, love!

Because the vast majority of "fans" these days just want success, whatever the cost. Hence the apathy towards ticket prices with a general attitude of "if we charge less than we wouldn't be able to afford so and so player". It stinks.

I'd much rather stay at Anfield and retain an identity, keeping a close knit fanbase and maintaining generations of traditions. Others want to move into a new fancy home with 20,000 more fans in order to keep up with the Jones'.

Football just isn't what it was. The business side of the game is now seemingly more important than what happens on the pitch. Well according to the press anyway.

What happened to just getting up on a Saturday morning, meeting your mates and going the match to watch the football and get behind your side? The political side of the club wasn't even discussed. The club employed people to sort all that out.

I hate modern day football.

I'm sure if the BNP came to power they wouldn't have any of this political nonsense ruining football. They would reintroduce standing immediately, listen to the fans, move every match to a 3:00 kick-off again, tell Sky to fúck off and lower ticket prices to £10 Adults £5 Kids.

Not that i'm saying vote BNP...

if they can guarantee that i'd vote for them :P

:lol:

BNP FC.

You cannot be serious.

EDIT: Missed the sarcasm in that one, sorry mate :ph43r:

I thought he was being serious.

how do you know they would

Dno BHB, i can just imagine alot of the london based divs saying stuff like "well Benetez has wasted alot of cash" etc etcaswell as the foreigners.

they do i used to go on the official liverpool forum where its full of whoppers and they are always posting threads of sack rafa

That's a good point but the majority of the "old" style owners were butchers and candle stick makers made good. After a profit but still you could argue;

Had some connection with the club they were buying into and

They could still be contacted face to face on most occasions if certain things were not happening as they should.

Yanks in sport have a history of carpet bagging anything and everything for the dollar and nothing you say will change my opinion of any of them coming into the game (or the other Russians and Yoda impersonators either).

But seriously did you really expect them to act as custodians?

As for the BNP I hope the lad was having just a giggle

Why would you 'imagine' that?? Seems a very strange suggestion to me.

I'd say 99% of fans, scouse or otherwise, have now lost any trust in the dynamic duo.

The 1% who want Rafa out come from across the board.

The divide, if any, is between the older fans v the sky generation, who all want instant success driven by the fact they have never seen Liverpool win the league

Agreed.

There was a group of seasoned reds, scouse, infront of me on Saturday at Boro. All of whom wanted Benitez out. Tutting and bickering all those singing Rafa's name.

The vast majority of the matchgoing fanbase however are right behind him. No matter where they are from.

Just ignore the bell end on phone ins and fellas in the pub down south. They're not fans. Listen to the ones that go the game,

But don't BNP strike you as the political group that would make changes in this sort of thing??

Don't agree with the kicking all non-british out though. Kick the immigrants out and the benifit-skanks though.

:eek:

happy now seb? :huh:

In a word....no

So where exactly do kick benefit skanks to?

I don't follow...

Don't be fooled by the BNP, if they had their way this country would be the equivalent of the Nazi police state. You think it's bad under Brown, just you wait.

hmmmm