.....Non stop zombified simple ditty version of the now abandoned scouse anthem
Mexican waves
England till I die
and still time inbtween all that to boo the Everton captain.

England are back :rolleyes:

EDIT: Oh and an even bigger welcome for Bentley, who in my opinion should of booted the ball first chance he got into a block and walked off head held high.

I only watched the first half, tbh the atmopshere sounded ok but it was very plastic. When the TV goes on the fans before the game it seemed like every england fans there had a replica shirt with a players name on the back, jester hats, face paint etc. Made me cringe. They did mexican waves as well??!!

scotlands crowd put england to shame today. Quite humilating for the new wembley england crowd eh?

Didn't watch england, rarely do, but I did see the scotland match and I agree that the scotland fans we're brilliant.... again, and it looked like practically every scotland fan was standing which was amazing, could never happen at wembley.

Despite scotland getting possibly the toughest group it looks like they will qualify it will be great to see them in austria and switzerland they'll be 1000's and 1000's of them.

Maybe I can find a blood relation from scotland. ;)

noticed the corporates were late going back to their seats for the 2nd half again

don't they realise just how dangerous it is walking about during play plus they're putting those who have to stand to let them past at extra risk as well <_<

New Wembley sums up everything I hate about modern day football in England.

Thousands of grown men in replica shirts blowing air horns and clapping along to a drum.
Clients being entertained in the stands, leaving 5 minutes before half time to drink champaigne and then reluctantly returning 20 minutes into the second half.
Mclaren and Motson claiming it is a great atmosphere despite the game being played amid the sound of 80 odd thousand people talking and silence.
Thousands leaving well before the end of the game.
Model professionals like Phil Neville being bood by some of the morons in the stadium.

Agree about Hampden, make up of the crowd is totally different to wembley and with thousands standing it creates a passionate even sometimes hostile stadium. Windsor park is the same where thousands stand every game and actually support their team.

Just got back from the game, never again!

The stadium outside, underwhelmed but once inside it, breath taking. The concourses are a bit bland though. Staff appeared to be friendly and you couldn't really fault the organisation. Seemed to be as many police as there are at a West Ham home game and unlike Cardiff no effort made to interact with supporters, just the same old sullen and snarly faces.

We had back row seats in the upper tier and at times it was so quiet you could hear the ball being kicked. No songs really, just the drum banging to get a few "England Till I Die" chants, without the drum (much as I loathe them) doubt there would have been any noise at all.

I felt totally and utterly seperate and detached from it all.

Imagine England were your team, can you imagine a crowd getting a Mexican wave going when they're three up after a pretty dire time? No, they bloody wouldn't. They'd be on their feet, roaring the team on. And nor would they be streaming out the doors with ten minutes to go.

Programmes were £6 and unsuprisingly no queue for them and the bloke next to me had a £7.50 burger meal. The burger bun looked nice, but it looked like a 99p McDonalds meal. Didn't buy a thing in the stadium.

Still, over 80,000 people can't be wrong can they, although not all the exec boxes had been sold and there were patches of empty seats across the stadium.

Virtually no standing, probably a couple of hundred standing around the back rows.

Finally, judging from the booing doubt if many fans there know much about football.

How much did that cost you then £40?

I doubt many of the fans that were there today actually follow their club regulaly. An England home crowd is a joke!!

Great and I'm going to see them play estonia next month.......... :ph43r:

Echo that, England and Reading. Support of both epitomise everything that is wrong with football. Can't stand either of them.

I do feel sorry for the genuine England fans though. The ones that are as passionate about their country as the Irish and the Scots are about theirs, but just surrounded by complete and utter bell ends.

Even if I did have even an inkling of thought for England in me, I still wouldn't dream of going and being a part of that. I'd be back at the bar under the stand after 10 minutes and asking to be let out at half time. I know I would. Disgrace.

And that band.....

Sheffield Wednesday binned them after their fans had enough. Now they're playing OUR Ring of Fire over and over, and absolutely murdered it as well. One big cringe.

Hearing the Ring of Fire from the final whistle until 5.00am last year at Cardiff was bad enough, to hear it non stop today made me feel murderous.

Aside from anything else, as BHB says that song was Liverpools. Why have England fans adopted it. Ah, could it be because the fans don't have the brains to think up new and original ones themselves? (Rhetorical question, btw).

Firstly, credit must be given to the Beeb commentators for shaming the corporate 'fans' at Wembley who keep coming out extremely late after half time. Fair play to them for speaking out about it.

BUT

Surely there's an underlying and much bigger issue which they overlooked. Why don't they ask questions about why Wembley was designed to facilitate such a big amount of corporate fans and why working class fans haven't been facilitated at all. I think it's fair to say Wembley has taken the idea of corporate/executive accomodation to a whole new level that no other stadium comes close to. Even the normal seats are expensive.
Maybe, just maybe, if there were a lot less executive seats and a lot more normal seats at cheaper prices you wouldn't have people coming out late after half time. If hardcore working class England fans are given the chance (through being able to afford it) to go to Wembley i'm sure they wouldn't stay in the refreshments area 10-15 mins into the 2nd half - they'd be out cheering their team and making an atmosphere (something which is more than lacking!). The execs really couldn't give a tench about watching the game, they're only there because football is very glamorous at the minute. Pity the FA chose to bend over backwards to facilitate these people in their stadium design instead of the real fans.

Would love for the media to start digging deeper when it comes to these issues rather than just skimming the surface!

We sat outside the stadium for a good thirty minutes, at the bottom of Wembley Walk and watched thousands of fans stream past us.

Trust me, the vast majority of those fans I'm sure would count themselves working class. Many of them certainly didn't fit the middle class cliche!

Cheapest tickets today were £30. To be honest - and it isn't often I disagree with you, Yorkie, to see your country play in a world class stadium for that amount of money, isn't bad at all. Having said that, I'm sure the pricing could be made a tad more attractive given that many there will have spent small fortunes on transport down to London.

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Why?
They booing Bentley as well?

they were booing bentley because he turned his back on his country during the summer..

And i was impressed with the jock support but for some reason every time they scored they played music...

Did anyone else notice that when England played the krauts that they were singing "Footballs coming home"? they were also singing it against wales today..

They've sang it for years and it even used to be played at German grounds across the country, not sure if they still play it or not now.

Their support was quality against Wales today as it was when they played us. As for the Welsh fans they're worse than us, the few that bothered to turn up were silent

thanks fella for the info.. as for wales they've only got one song "waaaaaaaaaallllllleeeeeeeeesssssss" yawn..

Watching it on ESPN and that Tommy Smith fella was having a go about the empty seats and saying that dreadful he was also going on about how it was quiet til they scored which is a bit dull. Thought it was good someone having a go at it...... though he is always having a go at something.

You have to congratulate the FA, this is what they've always wanted. They turned Wembley from a passionate and pretty hostile place for away teams and supporters into a family day out.

I only got in when England were 3-0 up, and the support didn't actually sound that bad compared to most England home matches. But, they were 3-0 up!!

The thing that I noticed was the lack of standing, and I'm not just talking about persistant standing. Even when England have a corner or are on the attack nobody stands up, there's just no passion. The people who go to England matches these days are not football supporters.

I wonder how many people who were there last night went to an England match pre 96?

I bet nobody could have imagined the transformation of the England support. You look at the support only 10-15 years ago, and look at it now and it's unbelievable how much it's changed.

Indeed, the Welsh support is pony. I remember when they played England in Cardiff, and the commentator was creaming his pants, going on about the passion of the fire breathing welsh dragon etc etc, yet all you could here were the England fans. Infact, that's probably the last time I can remember the England support being half decent.

Hampden was fkn rockin' :D
Wish I was going to the party in paree on wednesday! 15,000-20,000 have tickets in the ground!! :blink:

Had that at Ipswich last season for a few games. Lower North Stand sang 'Stand up if you hate the band' after a particually tench game. It worked, got rid of the band and got everyone to stand.

Scotland fans put england to shame yesterday, looked mad when scotland went 2-1 up!

Well said, I noticed almost no standing as well, even for the run of the mill stuff. Also when England scored instead of jumping around and going mental they all jumped for the goal and then just stood and clapped. :mellow:

Yep and thats why I never watch england anymore. Seen USA national team play a few times (on tele) and there are huge amounts of standing and constant noise, I really think its only england who have this problem and I don't know why.

I went to the Germany game at Wembley and, to be honest, the atmosphere was no worse than most grounds I've been to in England where small groups of people are singing and the rest of the crowd don't really join in much.

There was a group of about 40-50 lads at the back of the block I was in who stood and sang for large parts of the game and it appeared that the block of England fans behind the goal next to the German fans was stood for much of the game.

The problem with watching England, as has already been said is that it is being touted as a family thing and there are far too many people who are there just to say they were there, rather than being there to support the team.

I was in Portugal for the Euros in 2004 and must admit that the band really got on my tits, especially when for one game I was in the next block to them.
I really hate drums, horns etc. at football but they really take the biscuit.

Forgot to say that, for the Germany game, I did get some funny looks when I stood up and started singing ( I was about 5 or 6 rows from the front of the top tier) and danced around celebrating when Lampard scored.

Hardly anyone around me joined in with any of the singing.

Once back at Wembley, the Southern biggots all come flooding back, none of them ventured past Watford Gap when england were on the road.
Bringing with them their traditional boo's of anything not fitting with the West Ham agenda. (Sorry amanda, but its always the case). happy to pay over the odds prices, as its only round the corner and any qualification classes as a Euro away and a chance to dance in a few fountains and throw some chairs at passing locals.

That band is an embarrasment to anyone who is English, they arent even football fans, yet the FA pays for them to travel the world in return for a few blasts of "Rule Britania" a song about Britain (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales), a few blasts of michael Shields got 15 years, with acompanying Grandad style dancing when a TV camera passes the crowd.

Its everything football is not about.

We always have done. Always will do. B) :D


England home support is an embarassment! I remember watching Eng v Spain at Old Trafford, it was either a draw or a Spain win, in a friendly, and the boo's echoing from the stands and the abuse McLaren got when walking back to the tunnel was crazy!

Scotland are sh!t though so they're not expecting to be doing this well whereas we have a team full of world class players so our expectations are much higher. We beat Israel 3-0 at home and nobody batted an eyelid, Scotland beat Lithuania 3-1 and celebrated like they'd won Euro 2008 itself

Maybe because it took them top of a very hard group ha something to do with it, can't be tench if they have achieved that.

We expect to be top though whereas if they're anywhere near the top they get all excited because they're rubbish and have been for years.

They're not top, they'll go top if they win in France :lol: I hope they get smashed

Hopefully that the novelty of Wembley wears off, then a lot of the plastic supporters will leave. I would usually class myself as quite a patriotic person, but yesterday I could hardly cae that they won.

A bit like Villa in that respect :ph43r:

The doom and gloom, tench atmosphere's most be a Saxon type thing. Look at the Celtic nations, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. All tenche footballing teams yet support the team no matter what, friendly, know they are tench but can go abroad without having a garden furntiture competetion were-ever they go. :lol:

Scotland are tenche, yet for a nation the size of ours (5 mil) our home and travelling support can rival anyones on the planet. B)

Jealousy gets you nowere friend. We had 35,000+ fans on there feet with singing, drums and bagpipes non stop yesterday with 1000's lion rampants and saltires getting passionately waved by anyone and everyone.

England manufactured an atmosphere yesterday with a trumpet and a large st georges cross and something as equally as gay for the visitors to make it a bit brighter. Bet hey, you's won the world cup four decades ago didn't you's?

Thats what i mean though, England fans know we've got a world class squad and team so it's hard to support them when they keep letting us down and playing sh!t over and over again whereas as you even said you lot just know you're sh!t

Maybe its about time you's starting telling yourselfs that your pish aswell then...? 'Cos lets face it, you's are. You have graet indivuduals but a sh!t team.

Perhaps if you's stop pretending your as good your Brazils, your Argies and Portugals etc you wouldn't have to hold your annual garden furniture throwing comps? :lol:

Your tench and ye know you are.. Sing along now :P ;)

Well to be fair I think we all know why :(

Do you mean because its illegal to stand in england? Pretty sure the same applies in scotland it didn't stop them.