Ya'all! As mentioned earlier, I'm very bad in the model painting.
I enclosed here are the pictures of my current work. First time tried masking. (Not very good in it at all). Well, please shoot ahead your comment and advice, don't hold back, as I'm interested in this area of improvement.
Much Appreciated! Thanks. :o :wacko: :unsure: :blink:




This is correct way?




As you can see, the result is not good. How is better?


Without masking, much worst...art not my specialty.

Hi Tigershark,

One tip is just before you paint, make sure you burnish or press down the edges of the masked area.

I noticed that you hand paint with a brush. Try painting with strokes away from the edges of the mask. This lessens the paint from going under the mask.

Also thin your paint down. Let the first coat dry and then add the next coat.

Richard.

Dun worry, we are never critical of other people's work....much..hahahhaha

For this particular build, i believe that you should:
1) Assemble the major components first,eg, glue the fuselage together. Of course you'll need to paint all the internals first though.

2) Richard is correct, you'll need to thin the paint abit more. btw, white and yellow is EXTREMELY tough to handpaint.

3) Gotta be patient. If you thin the paint, you'll need to apply several coats (ONLY AFTER the 1st coat has dried).

4) I am just assuming that you are gonna paint the main fuselage colours. If you do, then paint the white (the lightest colour) first. You can paint it WITHOUT the mask. Then apply the mask to cover up the white and paint the main fuselage colour. If you continue your current method, you'll need to align the new mask along the white before you can apply the main colours. Haha...can understand ar?

Ok, show us more and keep it up.

Oh ,another tip. Perhaps you can try to get mono coloured planes(not those complex camouflaged coloured planes). This way you'll need to just paint 1 or 2 colours only.

sllim

good attempt, will watch closely, Hind is my favourite, suggested u use tamiya masking tape, less "bleeding"

Thanks for the comment and advice, Richard san.
Yah! I hand painted it with brush, and will paint it with strokes away from the mask in future.
As for the thinning it down, I'm using Tamiya's Acrylic Paints, the ratio is 1paint to 2(thinner?or water?),right? I'm now actually applying it directly from the bottle with a few layers. Hmm! That's wrong, right? :o
Appreciated! Will update on my next progress.

Sllim san, as usual deeply appreciated your comment and advice.

For this particular build, i believe that you should:
1) Assemble the major components first,eg, glue the fuselage together. Of course you'll need to paint all the internals first though.
Actually got carried away when started painting the internals....why stop there, can continue painting what?! The next painting definitely thining down the paint. Comments noted.
4) I am just assuming that you are gonna paint the main fuselage colours. If you do, then paint the white (the lightest colour) first. You can paint it WITHOUT the mask. Then apply the mask to cover up the white and paint the main fuselage colour. If you continue your current method, you'll need to align the new mask along the white before you can apply the main colours. Haha...can understand ar?
I'm most probably gonna paint the main fuselage colours. This is the time for me to improve on it. I think I understood your comment and advice, (hopefully). I don't follow exactly the colour in the inst. as I'm currently have limited of paints. Yellow & Light gray will do.


Will keep posted on my built progress. Thanks.

Hi BV,
After seeing my completed Hind, I hope Hind still is ur favoritelah. :lol:
At the moment still in learning curve mode, try & error first because anything with the word "Tamiya" is high endlah! :lol:

We all start somewhere man, dont worry. Your honest enthusiasm is great!

My opinion is the same as the others, ie build up assembly before paint, painting in order, paint thinning, layers and brush stroke are important.

Couple of things from me:
1. Did you wash the all the parts in soap water before starting to paint? You must do this as standard practice every time with new kit as there is some mould release oils on the plastic. As you are using acrylic which is not so good for brush paint (enamel better), this oil can have very bad effect on paint adhesion. Usually after I finish assembly, I will wash again and leave to dry fully before painting.

2. Agree with Lim on starting on a few simple one colour plane eg all grey jet like F18 or F15 (cheap to buy - try 1/144 to get technique basic) Hind is kinda ambitious for a first build.

3. Get the best quality brushes you can afford, I like sable hair ones. Look after them carefully, clean after each session and they will last long time. Do not use the cheap and cheerful China brush.

4. Keep practising and be proud of your work! :D

Well, since you've applied quite a thick layer of white on the bottom, you might want to try lightly wet sanding (600grit?) it down just a wee bit to lessen the brush strokes. It won't necessarily be perfect but should end up looking somewhat smoother. Be careful you don't sand off the rivet details and if you sand down to plastic or think it's thin in parts, just paint up again but with thinner layers and build up the coats.

You'll need many many layers for white. Yellow too. These are evil colours that plagues modellers due to their translucent properties. ^_^

cheers & happy modelling

just to add alil bit of some tips as well...

- i believe u also need to add a few tiny drop of detergent soap into you paint mixture to break the surface tension for easy application of the paint..

and yes.. those light colors are a paint to apply... i still a few more layer of them as well..

kuman

Since you are brush painting, I would suggest you to thin the paint using Gunze's levelling thinner (it works with Tamiya paints) since it will actually helps in levelling all the brush stroke marks. The paint is too thick in my opinion.

As advised by Vince, better invest in Tamiya masking tapes. It is the best so far for masking.

My other comments will be similar with the others that has replied so, I don't want to be a broken record and repeat it again... hahaha... :lol:

Whatever it is, it is a good try from you and hope to see it completed. Be patient and I am sure you will be able to do a good job on the Hind. :)

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so imran... i think you need to start your hind so that can be an inspiration to him (and me) to finish his..!! you know. that "centerpiece" 1/35 hind tu :))

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I think your 1/35 Hind "accessories" is already completed... :rolleyes:

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mej®

Thanks for your comments and advises guys....Landyshah,PoohBear,Kuman&Druid 99.

Already gain a lot wealth of information from ya'all.

Hi ya'all!
Today assembled the fuselage and the stub wings.

As usual, all comments, advises or critics are welcome.









Thanks and cheeriossss

Hi TS. Good thinking with the binders & pegs, but you might want to consider padding them to prevent scratching or damaging the finish.

err.. why the big white square on the 2nd picture with the peg?
to hide the brand of the peg is it? :D

looking good
kuman :D

Hi Tigershark,

One thing I've found about this hobby is that it doesn't matter what you do for a living or what skill/talent one may have, Interest and enthusiasm are the most skills to have and I believe you have lots of it.

As long as you have tons of interests and enthusiasm you'll be driven to fix more (and buy more of course :) ), and the more you fix the better you'll get. Plus interest and enthusiasm allows you to enjoy the hobby.

The guys have given some excellent advice here and you are off to a good start. Don't be too hard on yourself. Painting white is almost every modeller's nightmare. Plus with acrylics and handbrushing it normally requires several coats irrespective of the color but more so for white, thus more diluted paints but more coats. Good thing is acrylics dry fast so a wait about 5-10 minutes coats should do it.

Beachbum doesnt buy. He collects stuffs from the forest, ground and the rest ,he makes it himself.


sllim

Actually Tiger the best way to start is to get the building right first with improving on the gluing, filling and joining parts. Then tackle painting.

Obviously as a new enthusiastic modeler I can see the same gung ho straight to completing the first kit satisfaction syndrome here. Not wrong though...many of us have started the same way. Enjoy finishing this kit as best you can with the help and advise and don't be afraid to try your own technique of assembling and painting.

You're off to a good start...I didn't even use clamps in my first build. :D

Cheers,
Richard.

Mods, how about move this thread to the Aircraft WIP section?

Then our brother Tigershark will have feel of doing his build log and we can all help?

Just a suggestion

Yup. This one's going to the WIP section as a build log.

Tq Shah.

keep it up TS...at least now we've forum when u start the hobby.....so we can discus about tips and method.....not like us in those day no internet, no online discusion ....lagi scary.... :lol: :lol:

Naza

Haha yeah dremel, dulu mcm flying blind ...bang here, bang there, then crash and BURNNNNNN

TS: Maybe u wanna read my propoganda article on model building which made some people laugh, some nostalgic, some shake head, some dont want to read cos they are "not in the mood" (but now invading consciousness again) haha :D

PoohBear,
Advice taken and acted on it already. Double sided taped to peg. Material is neoprene rubber. Refer photo.

Thanks!

Kuman san,
Errorlah! I think I somewhere make a mistake when uploading it to the photobucket! Haiya! the brand is from paser malam oneleh....cheapx2. :lol:
Thanks.

Rtfoe / Dremel / Beachbum,
Thanks for the encouragement and advise. With this forum, it's definitely help me out alot. It's still not easy for me as comment/advise are still not showing actual things, need to try and error ownself, tough wooh! See Better then Hear.
Thanks.

Landyshah,
I'm lost here!!?!? :wacko:

Hiya all,
As usual, need ya'all sifus advice on this new post. Done the glueing, as always the result is not as expected.

There are uneven joint lines. Is it need to be filed down or using sandpaper? or suggestions from the sifus. :blink:


At the bottom of the fuselage also! :wacko:


At the bottom of the tail boom also!



Next step to do, I think to brush paint thin layer of white over the brown plastics then yellow it over the white. The bottom white masked it as commented by Sllim.
(Is this correct, sllim?) Advice and Suggestion Needed.

Thanks a lot and in advance.

TS, By looking at your pic progress, you need to sharpen your "assembling" skill first... No point concentrating on painting where the assembling technique is not perfected...

Do not jump the gun... No point concentrating on painting when the assembling skill is still "goyang". Painting in this situation show more "ugliness"... Cannot hide the blemish

Don't rush my friend, take it slowly... If I were you, I sand the joint to make it "level" and learn to control the use of glue...

Kit modelling is all about PATIENCE (Sabar). Just my 2 sen

mej®

Edited: Do it right first time and all the time. You will never regret... That what called "Learning Process". Follow steps.

Hi TS.

First of all, you might like to try posting larger photos. 800x600 is just about right for uploading & viewing.

Secondly, when you go through the instruction sheet(s), give the assembly steps some thought and plan ahead which parts can be painted after assembly and which needs to be painted first. For example, because you most probably need to sand / glue the joints, the fuselage can be painted after joining together. However, cockpit asssemblies definitely needs to be painted before closing up (unless you have nimble sotong hands that can go every which way ^_^).

For joining large seams like two fuselage halves, it is always a good idea to 'dry fit' first before laying on the glue. Dry fit is simply to test fit everything together before sticking it down. Often a +/- of 0.5mm is often enough to wreak havoc on alignments. So do a dry fit first. In fact, do it several times until you're satisfied it's ok. Sometimes the problem may lie with the kit and you may need to do a little surgery but that's what modelling is all about. :)

For current your case, you need to sand down the step to conform to the fuselage profile. You can use probably start with a flat needle file and smoothen using sandpaper from 400grit to 800 or higher if you have it. Do watch out that you don't 'erase' all the raised detail in the process. If there are any gaps, you should fill it with putty and sand down again (after it's dry of course). Putty is good for small gaps but for wider ones, you'll have to resort to some other arsenal.

Anyway, what all these means is that whatever paint you've already applied before hand is just going to get removed / damaged in the process. Now you see why its a good idea to plan when to paint & when to assemble :)

Hope this rather long winded monologue helps.

cheers

Hi tigershark


In your next kit (kinda late for this one liao..hahah), before gluing the joints, lightly sand paper the joints. Usually i would run the piece,eg, the fuselage over some sandpaper.This produces a flat area for you to glue it properly. Some kits may require you snip off the locating pegs so that you can align the pieces better.


sllim

QUOTE]Landyshah, I'm lost here!!?!?[/QUOTE]

Lol, dont worry man, u not missing much.

Looking at your progress, I agree you need to look more into the basic construction skill like Mejar Hashaney said. Painting is something that is not critical for now, just try and assemble the kit as best you can with minimum gaps/cracks etc

I would say, for this first kit, is just to get a feel of building a kit. It will be far from perfect, but what you learn from this you can apply in your second kit...and so on.

Tuan Mejar,
Firstly, thanks for the comment & the advice. Very much appreciated.

Painting should not be my first concentration right now as the result have proven. First process is more important. I'll concentrate more on assemblying, of course with all the comment/advise I can get.
Reworking process my Hind needed to go for now. :wacko:

Do it right first time and all the time. You will never regret... That what called "Learning Process". Follow steps.
This is a very good advice sir, will remember it. ;)
Thanks again!

Hello PoohBear!
As usual, thank you very much for long winded monologue. :) Appreciated your comment and advice.
Photo 800x600 : Understood. (OJT!). :D Next posting will do.
Next model, will do the dry fit before glueing. BTW, during glueing, are we applying the glue after A & B part jointed or applying glue to A then only joint? If is the former, are we doing it portion by portion or one time together?

Anyhow, Damaged been done, now need to concentrate in reworking.
File and sandpaper can do, "PUTTY" don't have, need to shop around. By now, the paint get removed/damaged is not an issue already, to get a better result is my main concern now.
Thanks again for your comment and advise.

Hello Sllim, :D
Next kit?! Must finish this Hind with great expectationlah! I must not give up, with rework, must do. My KPI 3 out of 5. :D :D
Your comment/advice is much appreciated! Booh Kai!


Hello Landyshah, :D
Basic construction skill a must kemudian only painting but damaged done alreadylah, :cry: With all the sifus here, I think i can try and assemble the kit as best I can with minimum gaps/cracks etc.
Your comment/advice is much appreciated! Terima-Kasih! :D

If you are using extra thin cement, you should mate the parts together first then apply the glue to the joint with the provided brush. Just a little is enough and the glue will flow into the joint. With this, you should go portion by portion letting each section dry first before moving on.

If you are using thick cement, just apply sparingly to all the mating surfaces and stick together.

cheers

Yup, that is the TQM (Total Quality Management) slogan that has been practiced in the M'sian Army from mid 90's until today I think. Its a good motivation factor actually...

OK, not to be unduly worried, although damaged has been done, do make your Hind as a pilot project. Back track and visualize what makes your model "ugly". Its the seam joint and glue "smearing" and "eating" on the unexpected plastic surface ...

About using thin (Tamiya Super Thin/ ABS Glue) and thick glue (Revell/Academy/Gunze), Poohbear has explain well enough... Just take more precaution on using this "monster". Use less and it dry fast and neat, use more it will slow dry and eventually do more damaging rather than helping you to weld the plastic part together because of plastic deforming.

Same goes to sanding and filing, PB have explain very detail...

Just remember, if you able to assemble or construct your kit neat and nicely, you have won half of the battle... :D

mej®

Its coming along nicely,TigerShark.

Yes lots of good advise here.I would like to add dry fitting does wonders if someone hasn't already mentioned it already.

PS:Dont forget to have fun! Its your pastime afterall. :)
Modelling is a journey not a destination.

Hi PoohBear!
Extra thin cement and thick cement? I think I'm using the thick cement as the brush on it is thick. Does this mean thick? Refer photo. Basically I think i used too much of cement here, as you mentioned "sparingly to all the mating surfaces and stick together". As always, thanks for your valueable advice always. ^_^



Major sir!
Please continue to give me your 2cents of advice and comment always! :D :D
Need to get as many as input necessary for my continuos improvement. :)

Lastly Bro Enghui,
Thanks for your nice words. :rolleyes:
Yes! I did have lots of lots of advice here actually. Thanks to everyone here! :D
More fun now actually, when I get like these :wacko: :blink:
I always can be sure I can count on ya'all here to give me lots of comment & advice. ^_^ :D :) for improvement.