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as the title suggested....

IDF F-16 D "BARAK" / "SUFA"

anyway...

since this topic has been greatly discussed in other seperate thread.. i think it would be nice to have one stop thread for F-16D Barak/Sufa in particular..

i would update this thread for any info i can find on this elusive F-16D Barak / Sufa since my future planning is to "maybe" build one for myself... :)

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LINKs
here's the link for the IDF modelling site.. all he does just the IDF stuff... a very good page on Barak as well..
IDF Modelling- Russell Sim

-below is the link to IsraDecal Studio for all your conversion needs..books decal etc for Barak
IsraDecal

- and not forgetting the site from F-16.net which describe the use of F-16 in the IDF.. (a must visit site for F-16 fan) :wub: :wub:
F-16.net on IDF

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Info
- Some of the Isra stuff is available at our LHS... go check it out..
- Isradecal just release their new Conversion Set for the IDF F-16i "SUFA".
Details: Conversion[/b]

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Items Needed
- Since i'm going to 1/48 scale below is what going to be needed to spice things up
--> Hasegawa 1/48 F-16D/B Fighting Falcon - Got this kits already
--> Hasegawa 1/48 F-16CJ (for the MCID Intake & Bulged Wheel Bay Door & Exhauset nozzle - Got this kits already)
--> Hasegawa 1/48 Mitsubishi F-2A/F-2B (for the better landing gear) - i'll skip this since not really noticable
--> IsraDecal F-16i Sufa decals (for F-16i) and the "Barak" Decal
--> Lantrin & Litening Pod (Will need to get these from Hasegawa Weapon Set D)

Kits released UPDATES: April 3, 2009
- Kinetics F-16I "SUFA"
- Kinetics F-16C "Barak" - single seater no spine
- Hasegawa F-16I SUFA

Weapon SetUPDATES: April 3, 2009
- IDF Weapon Set 4 x Python 4 missile
4 x GBU-15
4 x AGM-142 (Popeye)
4 x AGM-142 (Spice)

need pods for the weapon as well.. AN/AXQ-14 for GBU-15 and AN/ASW-55 for Popeye.

Paints
FS 30219 = GS H310
FS 33531 = GS H313
FS 34424 = GS H74
FS 36270 = GS H306
FS 36375 = GS H308

Aftermarkets
- Black Box 1/48 F-16D Cockpit set
- Eduard 1/48 (484069) F-16D PE set - i'll ignore this as well

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PICTURE RESOURCES
- Pictures from other forum - its in Hebrew.. but picture speaks a thousand words..

- From PrimePortal
- F-16i SUFA 107
- F-16i SUFA 253
- F-16i SUFA 407
- F-16i SUFA 432


- Others Builded "SUFA"
- F12aaa Excellent SUFA

WIP Page
- 2xSufa build by Tomcat RIO in ARC...
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- the picture below i borrowed from the other thread.. just to make this thread "merrier" :)..

if the picture too big.. let me know.. :) :wub: :wub:





















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hopefully this will help us discuss this "elusive" & impressive bird in a proper thread.. :)


thanks and keep on contributing :wub: :wub:

kuman :)

Kuman, you are killing me slowly. Anyway, grest thread just to spice up the Baraks and SUFAs.

Off topic ... Are you sure you are with HHQ? Ha! Ha! Ha! :lol:

:D :lol:
look who's talking... :) :lol:

you also "killing me softly" :)

so far i only manage to safe "RM50".. hopefully by end of the year this would increase.. :)

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BTW: for information...
myself and Argrillion have been discussing about this F-16D BARAK/SUFA's since i first join this forum- on & off- ... so this would "spice" up our interest in this as well.. :)

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Off topic answer:
last time i check .. no... :lol: pemlow will be eyeing this thread from now on.. :)


kuman

let me add some more spices okay!!hehe

FYI Guys,

Isreali F-16 Names:

F-16D - Brakeet
F-16C - Barak
F-16A - Netz.

Scratch :huh:

F-16I - Sufa

Sorry guys, I still couldn't find love in this Fat F-16 or Fat Mig-29, I still like the look of the original Slim and sexy one more .. don't hate me Ok...

musangpulut

you know what... its not nice to "add salt to an open wound" :)

ouch.. :)

kuman

no probs mastergg..every guy has their own taste & preferences when it's come to choose their girlsfriend!!! :lol: :lol:

:D

its all LOVE :wub: :wub:

no problem mastergg... we all have different taste... :)
:lol:

kuman

actually, the name brakeet is a hasegawa invention. one theory is that they combined the phrase 'barak kit' into brakeet :lol:

the f-16 c/d are both called barak.

Guys,

Interesting hypotosis on how "Barak Kit" came from Hasegawa, but brakeet is an actual Hebrew word meaning Thunderbolt. Most websites (Non-model making) refer to the Isreali F-16D as the Brakeet. Anyway check out the following website:

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gust...tary/isdes.html

Scratch

the iaf does not list brakeet as a name for it's f-16c/d variants.

http://www.iaf.org.il/Templates/Aircraft/A...186&docID=18188

Well it's hard to argue with the official webpage of the IAF, but there seems to be a whole lot of literature out there which says otherwise. Let's leave it at that for the moment. :blink:

Barak or Brakeet they are still F-16Ds and we love them. :D

Scratch

now that's something we won't argue about!

Kuman,

dude, now you have a kit to work on! :D Hope you like it. I am holding out for someone to produce a 1/32 scale version then i will do an IAF 2 seater F-16! :D :D

Ken

Capitan... :)

yup.. something indeed :)
but still A LOT of things to do.. :)

kuman

Hi,

Very interesting thread indeed and informative too.
My other favourite A/C is F-16.
So, I have a great collectiong of 1:32 model and decals (mainly ANG) on F-16.
I would certainly like to add the IAF's F-16 into my future project.
Can some tell me which 1:32 kit and upagrades I need to get
to do the IAF F-16s?
Have not been into buying for quite sometime.

Thanks guys.

Barak - Isn't that a footballer name from Germany?

:D :D

let me share what i know so far...
as initially i'm also aiming to make one in 1/32 scale but after failed miserabily decided the 1/32 scale is just too big for me :(

1/32
- for minimal problem can invest in 1/32 Tamiya F-16CJ
- Decals from IsraDecal (they're the only place i know have in 1/32 scale)
- Conversion kit for the spine (hard to come by in 1/32 scale unless willing to scratchbuilt)
- Litening Pod (a guy in S'pore is scratchbuilding this and is casting it for mass-production and way.. way.. way... cheaper then the normal market)
- Lantrin Pod (can "curi" from other kit... or again scratchbuilt...)
- 600 Gallon wing tank
- For SUFA variant - a pair of Conformal tank (should be included in the Conversin Kit)

i'll post more if i found more on this.. still doing my own research for this plane.. :)

AND
i for one is still looking for a 1/48 Hasegawa F16CJ.. so anyone got to let go.. do let me know ya.. :)


my 0.02 rupiah
kuman

BTW:.. that Germany football player i believe is Micheal Ballack :)

Hi,guys!

Can I put my two cents worth? Just a colored plate from my old ref.





Sabrejet out

P.S. Can I post some of my 1/72nd built?

:D sabrejet.. post away..

so your 1/72 is the one with the spine or not?

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as for the color.. here is what i can gather from sabrejet's picture
an equivalent color for Gunze Sangyo since for Tamiya Arcylic you'll need to mix-and-match to get the perfect color..

(care to correct the color number representation sabrejet since the picture is a bit blur when magnified)

FS 30219 = GS H310
FS 33531 = GS H313
FS 34424 = GS H74
FS 36270 = GS H306
FS 36375 = GS H308

how the color look like can be viewed HERE
and
HERE

hope that its ok to provide that link.. :)

thanks.

In the original post where Kuman attached the pics of a model F16, it was shown with the airbrakes deployed while parked. Is that normal practise?

sllim

MiG21,

depends on which F-16 you want to do in 1/32 scale. You can even use Revell or Kangnam or Hasegawa or Academy for all options. IAF used from early F-16A until Sufa nowadays. So any version can be done fairly easily, except 2 seater at the moment.

Ken

Hi,

Thanks guys for posting nice pics and info on the IAF's F-16s.
Very tempting to venture into this project.
But I have to resist it now since I have started on the MiG21.....maybe in the next 2-3 years.
The "BLACK HOLE" can wait.
I have a similar plan to collect all the operators of F-16s.

Anyway, I gatai-gatai and dug up my library on the IAF F-16

Kuman, lucky they name it BARAK instead of BERAK!

1:32 Tiger Wings Decal for all Squadrons and model. I got this decal from the Tiger Wings boss many years ago.


Tiger Wings color scheme for Gunze paint.


My old 1:48 on this subject. The IAF patch was given by a RAAF pilot I befriend in Sydney.

kuman,

the best match for the green is testor's RAF Sky type 'S', available for 50% off at MMH in the bin opposite the counter.

the gunze green is a bit dark for modern IASF types, but is good for phantoms and skyhawks.

there is also the xtracolour green, but never tried as it's somewhat expensive.

:D :D

MiG21..

thats one fine decals for BARAK.. :) and i never heard of Tiger Wing before.. its still around?

so that is your completed IAF F16? nice... very nice indeed.. :)
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aidy
- testor is arcylic paint/water based? i wonder.. does MH still have the rest of the IAF color at 50% off?
- as for the Gunze Green.. maybe we can "soften" the green by adding a lil bit of white to it.. will it work?
- xtracolor is also arcylic/water based?

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all the input in here make me very "tak sabar" to start the project... but i have to restrain myself until i got all the info and done all the research and most importantly to get comfortable with airbrush.. i dont think those camo can be done with spray cans.. :)

kuman

Hi Kuman,

At 1 time Tiger Wings Decal from Taiwan made the best decal for 1:32 subject.
Most of the decals were sort after due to the great detailing and options available.
The IAF I got came with like 14 sheets with Hewbrew stencils.

Unfortunately he wrapped up his business like 3 years ago.

I doubt you can still get he famous IAF decals in the market.
My prized decal I got from him was a 1:32 IAF Kfir. That decal alllows you to build 7 options.

The largest aerial combat of all time:
IAF vs Syrian AF at Bekaa Valley, Lebanon - 1982



A great painting by Robert Taylor, that captured the intensity of a huge aerial combat.
In the background you can see aircraft from both sides flying in all direction!
Here a IAF F-16 is going after a Syrian MiG 21.

Historian, any idea how many aircraft from both sides took part in the aerial combat?

Have fun on what you think was on the pilot's mind during this dogfight.
(Just copy and paste the bottom portion)

IAF PILOT :


SAF PILOT :

Sailors and Airmen,

Read this:

http://www.afa.org/magazine/june2002/0602bekaa.asp

The battle of Bekaa Valley: Strategy, Offensive of the IDF.

Sarge Bilko

:D
Bud Bilko
good one Bud...a very interesting read indeed.. :) now i know a lil bit more on the event in that fateful war..

Mig21
- i wonder what make he /they bungkus the business...
with such options in 1 sheet.. they should still be in the market today... i guess the competition is just too tought for them to keep-up..

kuman

Kuman,

He he... sharing info is important. Just like IDF. By the way, I have many more reading materials that can be shared with you guys on other IDF offensive and tactical on air, land and sea; including the old war histories (Napolean, Admiral Nelson, George Washington etc). Most of todays battle field tactics are learnt from the past and improvised.

The key is read and research.

Sarge Bilko.

Hi Kuman,

Jason should tell you his experiences in the decal business.
If you have the right product at the right time, then you would be lucky to sell them all. The famous "out of production".

Also you have to remember how the supply and demand mechanism works.
If they're only said 50,000 IAF collectors on the F-16, and they all beli up all your printed 50,000 decals. That's is good business.

If you printed more later, they would be less taker.
Then you are stuck with the stock for a long time!

Kuman,
All the lit that I read did not say the IDF's 16s as "Bearcat" or such, they just refer them as 16s. All these fancy names is for modellers' consumption?

This book on the IDF mission to Bad Debt is a good read. It is a true story, 'cause in the begining page it didn't read as " Once upon a time..." like the stuff in fairy tales.


Sabrejet out

Oh! One of the pilot got kilt in the shuttle mission. What's the guy's name. Slipped my fingers.

Great article to read regarding the aerial combat at Bekaa Valey recommended by Bud.

In Summary:


THE SCORE 82 to 0

"The Israeli pilots kept the advantage. "I can only tell you that, within half an hour, we shot down about 26 MiGs," Ivry said. After two hours Ivry called off the SAM attacks. The tally grew so that by noon on Friday, when a cease-fire took effect, IAF pilots had shot down 82 airplanes without losing any in air combat."

i believe it was ilan ramon.

kuman,

testors model master is enamel, unfortunately. that one colour is still around in MH.

i re-checked the gunze colour quoted, btw, and now actually looks pretty good for a match. i was also supposed to be raf sky.

hope to follow your progress once you actually get around to starting this project!

Hi,

Do you guys know any body sell or make the upgrade or converesion kit for
F-16D Barak / Sufa in 1:32?

Also base on the info already provided by Kuman any other items I need?

The pics posted by you guys have been very inspriring indeed on this subject.
I think Kuman felt the same. Very "warrior" like.

If there is enough info I will take the challenge to do up this model in 1:32 since I have the decal.

On 1 note.
What do Malaysian public view any models on the IAF subject?

I am just curious.
I do not want to display the model if it is too sensitive.

MIG21
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as far as i know there's no one out there that make a 1 set of conversion kits unless you're talikg about the 1/72 scale.. for thatsacel ISraDecals made one and now its still available... its a SUFA conversion set including all you need to make a SUFA.. inclusing the CFT,wheel + wheel bay.. also there rumors going around the net that IsraCast is going to release the conversion set for SUFA in 1/48 ....:)

unless you're willing to get parts by parts which is wonderfully done by Cutting Edge resin and is sold by Meteor Prduction (in USA) or Great Models

Some of it..
- 1/32 CEC32133 F-16C Large Wheels & Bulged Main Gear Doors
- 1/32 CEC32114 F-16 Big Mouth Seamless Intake, larger wheels & doors for Hasegawa
- 1/32 CEC32077 F-16 P&W Engine Nozzle
- So far i havent seen any CFT for 1/32 scale yet.. but there is one for 1/48 but this is only used by the F16D Barak not the F16i Sufa.

Also you'll need the 600gl tank..

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i'm indeed fired-up to start this project. all i need is to
- wait for the Spine & Barak Decal to arrive
- wait for the appropriate kits in 1/48 scale namely the F16CJ
- Scratchbuilding the Litening pod, Lantrin pod & the CFT (if i'm feeling like doing the SUFA)

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As for the view on Israeli subject..
- it just a model.. nothing else.. ;)


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I think this is going to be a long project by me.. :) and will take A LOT of time to complete...

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aidy
thanks for the info hmm i never work with enamel before... but fortunately as you said.. the Gunze color is sufficient & a close match to it then i'm saved.. :)

my 0.02 rupiah

kuman