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sabrejet - July 14, 2006 04:32 AM (GMT)
Hi,

I am NEW in the forum.
I am a great fan of Sabre F-86 - in model and aircraft.
I get to know from my friends in KL, this is the best forum to get and share
info on this marvelous jet.

If you share the same interest like myself, I would love to hear from you.

I collect all scales and brands of Sabre jet models and kits.

Do drop in this thread to keep inform and be informed.

Any one out there an avid fan of Sabre F86?

Sabrejet

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Argrillion - July 14, 2006 06:36 AM (GMT)
Sabrejet,

Welcome to the forum. In here, you will find various modellers who can share information with you. Some to the extend will go all the way to get the information for you.

Unlike any other forums, this forum is also backed-up by a registered society, and that society is SFT Plastic Modelling Society.

Now slightly off-topic ...

This weekend, scale modellers will compete in the Tamiya Challenge '06. If you want to meet the modellers in person behind this forum, you are very much welcome to join us in 1-U Shopping Centre (new wing), Bandar Utama. We are meeting at the LG exhibition floor.

Back to topic ...


koeingtiger - July 14, 2006 07:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sabrejet @ Jul 14 2006, 12:32 PM)
Hi,

I am NEW in the forum.
I am a great fan of Sabre F-86 - in model and aircraft.
I get to know from my friends in KL, this is the best forum to get and share
info on this marvelous jet.

If you share the same interest like myself, I would love to hear from you.

I collect all scales and brands of Sabre jet models and kits.

Do drop in this thread to keep inform and be informed.

Any one out there an avid fan of Sabre F86?

Sabrejet

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Hi comrade sabrejet, nice to heard from u... i got two sabre and one mig-15 (all in 1/72) which one of the sabre is exactly just like yours picture.... can you show some of your sabre??

seelianglim - July 14, 2006 07:34 AM (GMT)
Hello Sabre Jet,

The sabre jet is an important jet historically and i like the shape of it.

I have a model kit (1/48) from Academy (the one with the internal jet engine). The build is OK, but the decals are really stiff and dont stick well to the model at all. So, those who wants to get this kit, be aware.

sllim

f100supersabre - July 14, 2006 07:34 AM (GMT)
Welcome Sabrejet,

You are not the only one interested in the sabre... i also like the sabre.

Viper - July 14, 2006 10:37 AM (GMT)
I'm a sucker for planes that uses guns to bring down opponents and I find the planes of the 50s like the F-86 just awesome looking. I've got the Academy kit too but have yet to find time to assemble it.

In case you guys are not aware, the TUDM museum is open to the public and entrance is free. I can't remember the opening hours though.

In there you'll find 2 Sabres. One is outside (which can be seen from Seremban highway) and another is located in the hangar. The one in the hangar is a cutaway so you can see the internals of the plane.

MiG21 - July 15, 2006 03:20 PM (GMT)
Hi Sabrejet,

Welcome to the SMM forum. I too an avid fan of the this little cute Sabre.

It is very rare and honor to know someone to love this old bird
- The Sabre, one of the most interesting aircraft in the aviation history.

I like aircraft that has interesting history and has a strong impact on the aviation history.
Of course we know this aircraft once served our RMAF

Is the Sabre's gateguard still at Butterworth base? Have not pass by there for ages.
I remember seeing a stuff Sabre at Taiping museum.

Are you just fancy about the F-86?

Tell us more about you. I for sure would like to know you.
Maybe I can work on a Sabre project with you!


P.S: Is yours 1:32?

sabrejet - July 18, 2006 04:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Argrillion @ Jul 14 2006, 02:36 PM)
Sabrejet,

Welcome to the forum. In here, you will find various modellers who can share information with you. Some to the extend will go all the way to get the information for you.

Unlike any other forums, this forum is also backed-up by a

Hi!
Happy Modellers,
Thanks for welcoming me to this Forum.
I must admit that writing is not one of my many talents.
So please give me some time to get back to you.
To all Sabre fans abound.
I have a bit of a problem with the forward(front) wheel gear on the Hasegawa and Academy 1/48th scale offerings.
To my damest I could not find any photos/drawings depicting the ones
supplied in the kits.

The normal front gear is a half "U" fluted type.

So those from the kits are incorrect?

sabrejet - July 18, 2006 05:20 AM (GMT)
Encl herewith some of my 1:72 Hasegawa F-86s in my collection.
Those were the days of colorful hase artbox!
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MiG21 - July 19, 2006 01:27 AM (GMT)
Hi Sabre,

Sorry, I could not help you with the techical info on the landing gear.
Maybe some experts out there could assist you.

Notice your nice F-86 kit collection starting to surface.
I bet you have more than that for a kaki like yourself.

Wonder if you also collect 1/32 Hasegaya F-86 kits?
I love to see the various artbox from different period and releases of this wonderful kit.

Thanks.

Bud Bilko - July 19, 2006 07:54 AM (GMT)
Hi Sabrejet,

Welcome to this humble forum. Okay, I must admit that I'm too a Sabre lover. Got my self few 48th and 32nd scale waiting to be fixed (don't know when-lah). To your question on the nose gear, i think those were the earlier type and they are correct.

It all depending on the type which you would want to assemble. The Brits, Germany, Canadians, Japs and Aussie had difefrent type of nose landing gear and wing configurations. Some are slatted and some are not. You see, ours are the Avon series (same with the Auusie and it came from Aussie too) and they had a lot of differences on the inlet duct and nozzle size. The Avon series had to increase the diameter of the shape to accom the new Avon engine and the wing had to be re-structured to with hold the dynamics of the air flow due to speed and weight increase. That's is also why the Avon series only had 2 cannon (port and starboard) instead of 8 .50 cal guns. Why? The weight.

The first few years of the development saw many pilots being killed. Most lost their heads during ejection sequences. The problem was when the Aussie develop the Avon, they only increases the "mouth" diamater without realising the importance of raising the pit floor. Later, it was increased to 1 or 2 inch to accom this. Then they also changes the eyebolt of the canopy slide to ease the close and open as many of the killed pilot was not able to open/crank the canopy properly due to air flow.

If you realise, most of the Sabres has only 1 type of MDC until the Aussie decided to have a few to break the canopy easily in case of ejection. Many lives were safe due to the re-design of this. The Japs also followed this later on.

Did you know that the first RMAF ejection incident came from a Sabre? Well, that's another story. I do have some books on the Sabre if you would like to know more but have to dig the old box-lah.

Hope this helps.

Bud
2 sen saja, banyak sikit


sabrejet - July 20, 2006 08:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bud Bilko @ Jul 19 2006, 03:54 PM)
To your question on the nose gear, i think those were the earlier type and they are correct.
It all depending on the type which you would want to assemble. The Brits, Germany, Canadians, Japs and Aussie had difefrent type of nose landing gear and wing configurations.
I do have some books on the Sabre if you would like to know more but have to dig the old box-lah.

Bilco
The root of my contention as you can see in the diagram this shows the universal nose gear on all F-86s. This is a smooth fluted type & if you dig up the Hase 48th scale kit you will understand what I'm getting at. The offending appandage are the kinks. The Hase 32nd scale kit has the correct oleo as those 1/48th offerings from MONOGRAM.Untill this is resolved I'm a bit piffed.
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Bud Bilko - July 20, 2006 11:26 AM (GMT)
sabrejet,

If you can get someone to copy a resin set from the High Plane kit, that may solve your problem. Or if you would want to build a 48th, used a Monogram part or get an ESCI kit (HHQ might have a kit for sale) to replace the Hase or ask anyone in the forum who got a spare to donate. This might help.


Bud
2 sen saja, banyak sikit.

sabrejet - July 21, 2006 02:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MiG21 @ Jul 15 2006, 11:20 PM)
The Sabre's gateguard still at Butterworth base?  Have not pass by there for ages.
I remember seeing a stuff Sabre at Taiping museum.
Are you just fancy about the F-86?
Tell us more about you. I for sure would like to know you.
Maybe I can work on a Sabre project with you!
P.S:  Is yours 1:32?

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Czechsix MiG-21,
Very interesting proposal.Do not have the pleasure of working with a Russkie before. Have a couple of spare 1/32 Sabre kits- the "Phantom"( clear plastic type) & the generic type. See box-top.
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Read your resume. Awesome CV. Lets do a "cut-away" like this as shown below. What do you think? Game?
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P.S. Lets meet and parley.

sabrejet - July 21, 2006 03:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bud Bilko @ Jul 20 2006, 07:26 PM)
If you can get someone to copy a resin set from the High Plane kit, that may solve your problem. Or if you would want to build a 48th, used a Monogram part or get an ESCI kit (HHQ might have a kit for sale) to replace the Hase or ask anyone in the forum who got a spare to donate. This might help.

Sarge Bilko,
Thanks.Have the H.P. kit. The molded parts consist of two fuselage halfs & a nose cone/intake to be married to the Hase/Academy host. Problem still unresolved.
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Bud Bilko - July 21, 2006 04:24 AM (GMT)
Sabrejet,

Yikes!! Let me see what can I do with my spares. If anything comes out, I'll PM you.

Bud
2 sen saja, banyak sikit.

MiG21 - July 21, 2006 06:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sabrejet @ Jul 21 2006, 10:57 AM)
Czechsix MiG-21,
Very interesting proposal.Do not have the pleasure of working with a Russkie before. Have a couple of spare 1/32 Sabre kits- the "Phantom"( clear plastic type) & the generic type. See box-top.


Hi Sabre,

Thank you for the posting your saliva dripping 1:32 Sabre collection.
I would certainly be interested on the rare clear plastic Sabre.

I will later post you pictures of my 1:32 resin finished JSDAF Silver Sabre.

Tell me what do you think? Maybe we can ........

G'day.

leecalkin - July 23, 2006 10:25 AM (GMT)
Hi Sabre,

I have built the 1/48 Academy Sabre and the 1/32 Hasegawa Sabre, the shape and looks of the Has Sabre is the better of the both. Overall the Has Sabre is still the best Sabre kit. Fit is generally good for a kit which is more than 30 yrs old. This was the first Has 1/32 jet. I built the Korean version, with Aeromaster decals and Eduard Photoetched Cockpit. The wings have to be shortened for this version. The landing gear have to be shorthened too, by aby 4-5mm. Nice kit, if u can go for this, more satisfying due to the built up size. I dsplay it last year at Hobby HQ and Miniature Hobby.

Bye

sabrejet - July 24, 2006 03:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (leecalkin @ Jul 23 2006, 06:25 PM)
Hi Sabre,

I have built the 1/48 Academy Sabre and the 1/32 Hasegawa Sabre, the shape and looks of the Has Sabre is the better of the both. Overall the Has Sabre is still the best Sabre kit. Fit is generally good for a kit which is more than 30 yrs old. This was the first      Has 1/32 jet. I built the Korean version, with Aeromaster decals and Eduard Photoetched Cockpit. The wings have to be shortened for this version. The landing gear have to be shorthened too, by aby 4-5mm. Nice kit, if u can go for this, more satisfying due to the built up size. I dsplay it last year at Hobby HQ and Miniature Hobby.

Bye

Yes,I do agree with you that the Hase 1/32nd F-86 kit is in general a good kit. The details are of the raised type though. Another period kit. I have a re-issue in Royal Thai Air Force box top.The Cobra insignia in the decal sheet is incorrect.I bought a lot of this kits in Japan.They come in plastic bags with a header just like the old Airfix Series 1 kits.
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sabrejet - July 25, 2006 03:34 AM (GMT)
AIRCRAFT OF THE ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE IN MINIATURE
Commonwealth Sabre Mk.32
If you are into early jets then you would come across the North American F-86. The Sabre is one of the much-produced military aircraft in the Freeworld. Production of the F-86 Sabre was accelerated by the Korean War, and as a stopgap ADC interceptor of the Cold War. Like all good aircraft design the F-86 progressed into many variants and this bring us to the Australian built version - the Rolls Royce Avon engined CA-27 Mk.32 Sabre.


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The Australian Sabre, an aircraft that came and went unnoticed by the mainstream kit manufacturers, was designed
to take the RR Avon power plant. Time would have passed it by, but the departure of the Royal Air Force from the region meant that the Royal Malaysian Air Force had to undertake air defence role which had hitherto been the responsibility of the R A F gave the Sabre a new lease of life. Ten ex-R A A F Sabres were transfered to the R M A F under the terms of the Australian Defence Aid program.These aircraft served with the RMAF premier combat unit No.11 Sqn. from 1969 to 1975.

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The Avon Sabre is readily availabe in kit form albeit as conversion kit, both plastic molded and vacuum formed variety.


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TASMAN's offering is injection molded in dirty grey plastic.The molded parts consist of two fuselage halfs and a nose
cone/intake on a single sprue. An excellent vac-formed clear canopy produced by FALCON is provided.Instruction leaflet and a well printed decal sheet sums up the deal.
As with most short run injection molded kits the sprues, for technical reasons, are on the heavy side.

Construction tips:
Marry the Tasman's fuselage to a host kit, preferably a FUJIMI F-86 kit as recommended, falling which the
HOBBY CRAFT/IDEA kit would suffice. I used the AOUDA kit, which itself is an unauthorized Fujimi copy.
This Chinese clone cost less than the two mentioned offerings.
This is a good accurate kit of the CA-27 Sabre, and as such, ideal for your Royal Malaysian Air Force collection.

MiG21 - July 31, 2006 03:57 PM (GMT)
100 Years - 100 Aircraft.
The 100 most significant aircraft of the first century of aviation.

43: North American F-86 Sabre
"The best American jet fighter of the Korean War and early 1950s"

(In 2003, I published a "little book" on the above to coincide with 100 Years of Fight Exhibitiom at Pusat Sains Negara.
So if any of these aircraft posted in the forum fall under this category, I shall hightlight it for your info.)


Bud Bilko - August 1, 2006 03:08 AM (GMT)
Sailors and airmen,

A little bit of history of our Sabres since we are at this:- (Starts with RAAF serial no.)

1) 948 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1948. Phased out 1976.

2) 958 crashed at RAAF Butterworth, Malaysia Sep 11, 1962 after multiple birdstrikes. Pilot killed.

3) 961 collided with A94-976 and crashed Jul 22, 1960, Butterworth, Malaysia. Pilot ejected safely.

4) 967 crashed Oct 9, 1963, Butterworth, Malaysia. Pilot ejected safely.

5) 973 w/o Dec 1963 after takeoff accident at Butterworth, Malaysia.

6) 976 collided with A94-961 and crashed Jul 22, 1960, Butterworth, Malaysia. Pilot ejected safely.

7) 977 crashed Jun 10, 1961, Sunei Patani, Malaysia.

8) 978 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1978, phased out 1976. To TNI-AU Jul 1976.

9) 979 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1979. Phased out 1976. To TNI-AU Jul 1976.

10) 983 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1983. Phased out 1976. Now on civil registry
as VH-PCM based at Point Cook, VIC.

11) 984 (79 Sqdn) crashed Sep 24, 1964, Malaysia after FOD-induced engine faiure. Pilot ejected safely.

12) 985 crashed Mar 19, 1968, Butterworth, Malaysia.

13) 983 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1983. Phased out 1976. Now on civil registry
as VH-PCM based at Point Cook, VIC

14) 987 to RMAF Nov 1971 as FM1987. Phased out 1976. To TNI-Au Jul 1976

15) 353 to RMAF in 1969 as FM1993 and FM1353. To TNI-AU Aug 1976.

16) 354 to RMAF 1969 as FM1994 and FM1354. Phased out 1976.

17) 356 to RMAF 1969 as FM1996, phased out 1976. In storage for restoration

18) 357 to RMAF 1969 as FM1997 and FM1357. Phased out 1976

19) 359 to RMAF 1969 as FM1999 and FM1359. Phased out 1976

20) 362 to RMAF Aug 1969 as FM1902 and FM1362. Phased out 1976. Now in Sungai Besi TUDM Airport Museum

21) 363 to RMAF Aug 1969 as FM1903 and FM1363. Phased out 1976. Now on display at Butterworth airbase, Malaysia.

22) 364 to RMAF Aug 1969 as FM1904 and FM1364. Phased out 1976. Now at RMAF Museum, Kuala Lumpur

23) 365 to RMAF Aug 1969 as FM1905 and FM1365. Phased out 1976. Now gate guard at Butterworth airbase.

24) 367 to RMAF Aug 1969 as FM1907 and FM1367. Phased out 1976. Not at RMAF Museum, Kuala Lumpur. Probably at Taiping Museum.

25) 369 to RMAF 1969 as FM1909 and FM1369. To TNI-AU as F-8619. To USA in 1999. Held by Aero Trader, Ocotillo Wells.

26) 371 to RMAF 1969 as FM1911 and FM1371. Phased out 1976.

Hope this helps.

Sarge Bilko
2 sen saja, banyak sikit.





sabrejet - August 1, 2006 03:52 AM (GMT)
Sarge Bilko,
Thanks for the research. You are my main buddy. You just earn my endless friendship. Love this forum. Just to show that I known nuts. A million thanks.

Sabrejet out.

sabrejet - August 1, 2006 03:56 AM (GMT)
MiG-21,
What little book is it that you published in oo3, can you post?

Sabrejet out

Bud Bilko - August 1, 2006 05:47 AM (GMT)
Sabrejet,

No problem mate!! I'm compiling some history for myself and thought share this with you'll. By the way, I'm still trying to post 2 pic of the CAC sabre flown by 76th Sqdn before they landed at WMKB. This is the one with the Cobra tail!! Looks yummy...

Still can't learn to post the bloody pics..... Hmmmmmm

Anytime dude.

Sarge Bilko
2 sen saja, banyak sikit.

sabrejet - August 1, 2006 07:58 AM (GMT)
Sarge Bilko,

I'm a sucker for F-86s so I couldn't resist buying these new releases or re-releases while I was on holiday in the Japans. They are very cheap, costing about RM 48.75 a piece. I could not find them here, so it was a good harvest.
But I still have doubt with the front wheel gear , and until I exorcize the demon and lay my ghost to rest I will not build them.
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Sabrejet out

Bud Bilko - August 2, 2006 01:07 AM (GMT)
Sabrejet,

Suckers indeed!!!


Sarge Bilko
3 stripes rule.

sabrejet - August 2, 2006 04:52 AM (GMT)
AFV Club 1/48th. scale F-86F Sabre

Not new is the AFV Club's offering of re-packaged ACADEMY's F-86s in new boxing with new decals depicting aircraft of the Taiwan Air Force.

Building instructions may be a linguistic problem as it is ofcourse in Chinese Mandarin.

AFV is heavy on armor so these offerings come as a pleasant surprise. I bought these at Miniature Hobby at Mid Val. Talk about luck.

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Sabrejet out

MiG21 - August 2, 2006 05:39 AM (GMT)
Hi Sabre,

Holy lembu now that all your goodies are coming out from underneath your bed!

You must have the best Home Minister around among us lah.
Lucky you!

Any more 1:32 or rare kits on Sabre that we have not seen before?

Can wait to see your next posting, mate.



sabrejet - August 2, 2006 06:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (MiG21 @ Aug 2 2006, 01:39 PM)
Hi Sabre,

Holy lembu now that all your goodies are coming out from underneath your bed!

You must have the best Home Minister around among us lah.
Lucky you!

Any more 1:32 or rare kits on Sabre that we have not seen before?

Can wait to see your next posting, mate.

MiG-21,

Here's a snap of my Hase 1/32nd F-86 I bought at Siam Square,Bangkok.

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Touch wood! But thanks for reminding me, with my luck, so far. I do belive everybody's home minister are alike, except their faces, so that we can tell them apart.


Sabre out.

P.S.
Heard on the grapevine you are relocating to Sid. Any where near Paramatta?

sabrejet - August 2, 2006 07:24 AM (GMT)
COMING NEXT

THE F-100 SUPERSABRE

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The compulsory silver finish for the F-86s put off many builders. Not so the big brother F-100 Super Sabre. This one in French service.


Sabrejet out.

f100supersabre - August 2, 2006 07:39 AM (GMT)
sabrejet,

Your F-100 is the italeri 1/72? If so then it's the same as mine in danish markings but of course ur finished quality is much better than mine.... About F-86 in silver, german and el-salvadorian examples are painted in camo.

MiG21 - August 2, 2006 03:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sabrejet @ Aug 1 2006, 11:56 AM)
MiG-21,
What little book is it that you published in oo3, can you post?

Sabrejet out

Hi,

Published this "passport" to coincide with my exhibition at Pusat Sains Negara in 2003.
The passport will automatically qualify you as a "PILOT". You can get into Aghanistan with no problem!

You also get the full list of "100 Years 100 Aircraft" I quoted.
It is a rare item as they now out of production. Next issue in 2103!

If you are interested on the Passport, please PM me.

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sabrejet - August 3, 2006 05:45 AM (GMT)
AOUDA MODEL TOYS LTD. China.
Product No. 15-009 & 15-1010
Scale: 1/72nd.

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Comments: On inspection the cleanly pressed injection molded parts look promising. Parts layout could be direct copy of Fujimi's. Even the accompanying instruction sheet is of the same format. This kit is a clone.
Aouda's copy has its short comings, most obvious is the wing sit - it just does not have the correct dihedral. Otherwise an inexpensive kit for beginners. Cost only RM 2.00
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Sabrejet out

MiG21 - August 3, 2006 06:57 AM (GMT)
Went over to my grandma house and found these kits underneath
her bed - You could tell from the color of the bedsheet.

Not sure what the boxes said in Japanese.

Namo deska……... "SayBra"?

You have any idea?
Thanks.

1:32 SayBra & Eggplanes
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sabrejet - August 3, 2006 06:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (f100supersabre @ Aug 2 2006, 03:39 PM)
sabrejet,
      Your F-100 is the italeri 1/72? If so then it's the same as mine in danish markings but of course ur finished quality is much better than mine.... About F-86 in silver, german and el-salvadorian examples are painted in camo.


Superguy,
You're spot on, but the majority are standard NATO camou of Dark Grey& Green over Sky. The Bolivian F-86 is gaudy.
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Apart for the "SHOW BIRDS" the F-86 is mandatory bare metal.

Thanks. Saberjet out

sabrejet - August 3, 2006 07:11 AM (GMT)
MiG-21,

Wakarimas., Mik-san You're nam bar ten!
I belive the Japanese Katakana text says " Give these to Say-bar san ".

Oh! On your way over to Grans did you see the Big Bad Wolf, or maybe Lil' Red?

Sabrejet out.

Wahko - August 10, 2006 03:59 AM (GMT)
hi Sabrejet

Can you tell me about the Vietnam War era S&R prop plane Wendy
it would be a great help if you can advice


Wahko

sabrejet - August 10, 2006 06:05 AM (GMT)

Wahko,
I believe the model you wanted is the A-1"Sandy". Or is there a "Wendy"? Some WW II Imperial Japanese Navy plane?

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Sabrejet out

MiG21 - August 10, 2006 04:56 PM (GMT)
Hi Wahko,

Welcome to the forum!
Glad that you can join us at the forum and found Sabrejet
Would you like to introduce youself at the "Member Introduction"
The explanation on that thread is self explanatory.

Hi Sabrejet,

Nice Sandy you have. What scale is that?
Below is the 1:32 Monogram SkyRaider "Sandy" that took me like 4 years to hunt it down.
Finally, I got this kit from Calgary, Canada.
What is so special about this kit is that the owner has never bother to open it!

Not sure what to do with this kit. I wanted it because so it was so damn difficult to get at eBay.
What do you think? How much do you think it worth?

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