In a recent Stormtrooper verses pistol totting man session a single person with charged pistol was capable of anniliating most of the Stormtrooper section (That's squad for all you Americans).

While the fact the Stormtroopers were using realistic firefight tactics (cover, etcetera) and the pistoleer was using game tactics, the mismatch of firepower was still there. Several of the Stormtroopers expressed the feeling that they should simply equip their pistols and respond in kind.

Perhaps we should rethink the ban on E11 Secondary fire, allowing secondary in 3-5 round bursts only. This would seem to be realistic to the EU's description of the E11 having a multifire option and would replicate the feel of a standard issue military weapon capable of both repeating and automatic fire.

Would this be abused? In my opinion, probably not. This server is not bad for such things, for example the sniper, the repeater, and the Demp are not abused. If the playeres folllow the rules for those weapons they should follow this prorposed burst fire rule for the E11.

Thoughts?

I like the idea of burst fire E-11. It balances out the fact that blaster bolts are dodgeable in JKA, which they are not in Star Wars.

Agreed. It should work like the Repeater. Short bursts only.

I was thinking the exact same thing over the course of the last few weeks, just too lazy to post it.

Because these days people never use the e-11 at all tbh, and when they do they usually just pull out a pistol and finish the job


Is ther anything that can be done to the server to make it burst fire ? because on the repeater people fire off a huge stream then claim it was burst...

i think what hesz suggestion krydon is that we allow secondayry fire but not a constant wave of fire.If someone could mod yes you can make it.Perhaps mayby someone will look up an Over heat mod where weapons over heat if their used to long,this is just one suggestion.

I'm not sure how much is hard-coded in in regards to the weapon fire, but I'm fairly certain that fire modes are hard-coded.

It could be possible to change the ammo consumption of the E-11 secondary fire, though. You could make it so that if you used second fire, it would consume ammo so quickly that you could only get a barrage of shots off at a time (enough to kill, but leave little room for mistake). :lol:

im goign to go off topic and on topic here...


first im kind of on the same boat for the whole E-11 needing to have burst fire thing, maybe you can have it so you can't move while using secondary fire or something.. in other words being a sitting duck and only somethign you would teactically use in teh way im imagining it at least.


for the off topic.. the reason i qouted you zifer was cause your signature has baffled me of how 92% of teenagers listen to rap.. so not true. Also? what is real music? Personaly I don't like rap, but you still have no clue if what i listen to is real music to you or not :)

a little bit of opera metal..

some more opera

some more metal

some rock

some alternative

and something closer to rap than pop, bust isnt either of them thankgoodnes cause sure rap is missing a 'c' but pop is even more annoying to me.

On Topic:
Ill look and see if theres matbe an overheat mod on jk files.
Off Topic:

Dude...its just a signature,but ill answer your question relativly free of charge.
Opera metal(Its okay)
Some more Opera(Like the Phantom of the Opera?i loved that movie)
Some more metal(Meh ive heard better but its okay)
some rock(k.....)
some alternative(Its better than 'c'rap)



now for music i like
Opera metal
Opera
Concerte
80's music
70's music
old folk songs
Country
and a few others that im not gona discuss,cause were spamming a topic.What the signatures basically saying is that 'C'rap is dumb and all other music RULES!
If you still want to argue PM me instead ^_^

I agree completly with what you said, as I suggested this a while back while in game. Never took it to thread form, though.

But the part in here that annoys me the most is not even remotly towards the E-11. It is towards you usage of words, and sounds like your good ol' average "Stupid" American stereotype. If you think we're that stupid ones, than why did you put in section rather than squad to avoid the hassel? If it is one thing I cannot stand anymore, is that EVERYONE in this community must show sort of Countrnism or Racism of some sort. Point blankly, I want you to make fun of Canadians and see how far you get.




In a recent Stormtrooper verses pistol totting man session a single person with charged pistol was capable of anniliating most of the Stormtrooper section (That's squad for all you Americans).

I'm not caling Americans stupid. Commonwealth military terms differnt from American military terms. For example:


Term = Commonwealth = American
Private = Pte = Pvt
Reconnaissance = Recce = Recon
8 man team, sub platoon = Section = Squad
SAW = Section Automatic Weapon = Squad Automatic Weapon
Lieutenant = Lefttenant = Lootenant
1 Star Admiral = Commodore = Rear Admiral Lower Half

Its not a smart vs stupid thing, its just a differing terminology thing.

Its very easy to make fun of Canadians like me. Call us on 'eh', call us on marijuana, call us on our low-budget military (that is changing now, however). Call us on our bad climate and our depressing literature.

Likewise, making fun of my race is very easy. Call me a halfbreed or a mutt. Trust me, I don't have a holier than thou attitude. If an American unfamiliar with the Commonwealth reads 'section' they may not understand, and likewise if a Commonwealth person reads 'squad' they may not understand. It is as simple as that.

All Canadians are complete morons! They're also incapable of forming a sentence without using "eh" or "aboot". I know, because I know everything.

O.o KELS CANADIAN!

Mr. Logical

Well, I hope people know I was kidding... *I'm Canadian*! I wuv ma countwee so.

the comment did make me laugh, cause i know tis from you! and now you're being serious and sensitive it's not funny. :thumbsdown:

CANADA SUCKS!

Well, I'm an American, and I can vouch for the fact that we really suck. :meeting: :dooya:

<_< yah stop that.Everyone should be proud of their own countries and shouldnt bash other

I said Canada sucks because Brutus said it wasn't funny for me to be serious, so as a joke I insulted it again. And if Brutus talks about me being serious in this post, and then I'll have to do it again, and if you get confused again, it'll be a never ending cycle!

That may quite possibly true, but that does not negate the fact that you shouldn't bash on other cultures, religions, gender, or whatever.

Only Jenna is fun to pick on because I know how to make her angry. :)

P.S Spam is bad, secondary is bad.

I don't have an opinion on Canada because I've never been there. What I can tell you is their Boxers suck shit lol, Brutus you should know this if you Support Wales in the Boxing. Today Bobby Gunn fighting for Canada got Blitzed by the Welsh-man Enzo Maccarinelli (Doesn’t sound very Welsh rofl). Gunn got smashed to the ground, and then hammered in the corner til' he bled like a bitch within the first round the fight had to be stopped by the Ref lol.

Also Calzaghe scores another win for the Red Dragon, He's a class boxer. But it has occurred to me all the Welsh fighters seem to be foreign lol.

About the E-11 thing, I think allowing secondary in short bursts would be fine. I’m sure our members would be responsible enough to stick to that rule like the repeater. If it is allowed, it would make Stormtrooper fights more fair and realistic visually.

ok back on to topic, what do people think of my idea of onyl using secondary fire while only crouch, or walking, or not moving at all?

Its been a while since I used E-11 secondary...I think it was banned because it affected the delfection of a lightsaber, meaning a single gunner could defeat a Jedi etc...whereas now it takes multiple gunners.

Yea but Jedi need to use their heads instead of thinking 'ah its ok hes using a e-11 I can just slowly walk towards him, my defence will take care of the rest'

But what about what they use on the mod movie battles?

Im pretty sure e-11 level 1 is primary only, level 2 is BURST type fire, and level 3 is just automatic mega wtf die jedi noobs mode.

Ill have to test that....


Also it will make soldiers actually feared on here, because no offense but its insanly easy to pinn down a patrol using primary e-11 when you have dual webster pistols from the ARC trooper class.

I still think if we pass a rule to use it ONLY in burst. It would be fine.

*Slightly off-topic*

In MB2, level 1 is Primary fire only, level 2 is "automatic" fire (IE, a constantly stream of fire) but highly (*cough*) inaccurate, while level 3 has much better accuracy.

Burst fire would be fine if you ask me. But like someone else pointed out earlier concerning the repeater, what exactly is a "burst"?

A burst is three or four shots with a pause equal to one or two primary shots in between.

Doctor Ort-Meyer hit the nail on the head.

thats why i suggest the not moving or moving slow when using secondary fire suggestion.. so there is no grey line. If ima jedi and your usign secondary fir eyou movign slow so i might actauyl be able to deflect more lasers back into you than you actauly hit me with if you are nto beign careufl or usign tactics.. besides being a sitting or walking duck.

I also this burst fire would be a great idea.. Storm troopers really have no chance sense most of the good equipment they get is banned.

I would say yes, however the question in concern is incompetence. Letting people burst will just bring too much bs.

Think about it. The rule says three rounds is a burst.

Someone says he is doing three rounds, waiting only .1 second between each burst.

or someone gets killed by an accidental fourth laser from the "burst", and the question then arises should it be counted and so forth.

It'll arise to be a touchy subject not worth the greif it'll bring. I think there should be added rules to just shooting instead of adding burst, perhaps having to walk at the most to move and shoot.

I can tell you with honesty and experience that there is NO accurate way to run and shoot a gun.

as i was saying.. have secondary fire onl when not running..

No he means with all weapons, and I agree, running and shooting is just as unrealistic as jumping and shooting, and we ban jump shooting, so yea :|

People run and shoot all the time.. It sholdn't be banned.

That's exactly why ST is a good starting class for factions, because they have the least amount of perks. But even then, they still have access to a remote sentry, and an emplaced Turret which are great in certain situations. Stormtroopers could get better classes now if the middle people within the empire like the colonels and generals would send information on promotions and provide recommendations in order to place more stormtroopers in specializations given them better FM3 classes since currently Imperial soldiers have at their disposition clonetrooper, hotshot, spacetrooper, scouttrooper, arc trooper, and commando.

Now this is a practical idea and would force people to use actual duck and cover tactics. The only downside I see to this would be that Jedi who would still have un-restricted movement could mow down gunners easily. While I realize that by lore Jedi are supposed to be strong, practically it's near impossible to get 10+ people on the server to fight a single Jedi in order to take them down. If you're going to restrict gunners in such a fashion, then Jedi should recieve something similar in order to prevent throwing things off balance from where they currently stand.

I agree with Claypool on that burst allows too much room for error, it allows room for exploitation, and would create more problems than it would solve. In regards to Stormtroopers being at a disadvantage, it shouldn't be an issue because not many civilians should carry weapons, and there would be strength in numbers but i doubt there is any 1 char who doesn't have or have had a weapon of some sort. I know all of mine have.

Im in two minds about burst fire, on the one hand, introducing burst fire again may reduce the chances of everyone seeming to carry disruptors that are one hit killers. We currently have no way to ensure someone is following the sniper rules:
-No moving while in secondary

...unless someone is spectating them. The same would go for E11 Burst, how can we be so sure that someone is firing in 'official' bursts or they arent moving? The problem I see with burst fire, is if someone emotes Draws his rifle and opens fire on Mr Bean, the attacker could they fire burst fire and kill instantly while the other character is still reading the emote. Now of course a person can protest reaction time, but its a point of view depending on how fast someone can read. However burst fire is pretty much a one hit kill if your not running from it.

If adding burst fire is going to affect other rules then I say no, if we can simply allow burst fire PROVIDING its not used while running and that battle rules are realistic:
-No run shooting for extended periods
-Cover and Fire tactics

then I see no problem with adding it.

Now that we must improve by many people here. . . since noone realy covers in the game and just runs around shooting aimlessly. . . what is kind of unreal, look at reallife soldiers who died cause they did NOT cover. . .