Of course, this may seem slightly biased since I am questioning this, but how bad is Tenloss with a Jetpack really?... Lets look at some ... things.

Tenloss. Not too heavy, not to big, easily placeable on ones character model.

You have a Jetpack. The hinderance of another weapon on you wouldn't be enough to severly deter your ability to move and or fly, and if you think it would, you could lose a weapon.

I'm however questioning whats worse, using Bounty Hunter and grappling to a high up place then using scoped mode, where Pull can't pull you down, and Jedi shouldn't be using the exploit to get a pistol, and if you are being fired at you can easily detach it and shoot another hook. Whereas with the Jetpack you are flying, which makes you (in theory) harder to hit, but also harder for you too hit other people (in most situations). You also can't use scoped mode and fire while flying, so it takes away that extra punch that is the one that usually kills people instantly, and if you have Offense 3/4 (As shown recently, defense is almost useless) combined with defense 3/4, the ability for a primary shot to hit your legs is slim to non, seeing as it always gets blocked, causing you to use scoped mode. If you have shields, it usually takes at least one shot to kill shields, and one to kill, however is has the tendacy to lower you to 30 hp, then kill you.

And i'm obviously not going to overlook the Mands ability to fly away, making it -almost- impossible to shoot with gun restrictions, then landing far off, scoping, and sniping.. So thats a pain, but the grappling hook can do this to the same effect, except it can be shot at and explode, and causes the player to be immobile.

Now i'm asking, is it just because the Ruptor with Jetpack is too good? Or is it because I'm too good?... And i'm not trying to go for some Ego boost, I want to know if you really think its any worse than Grappling+Scoped/Primary firing, or the GodCaster, which suffers at long range, but destroys up-close and personal.

I agree. You put one of my little cousins on this game, who've never even seen it, and they'll be horrible, no matter what class or weapons they have. You put Shaon in, he's played JKA for a long time and is good at it, and with any weapon he can kick your arse. Although, having a rupter in any long-range fight gives you an uncanny advantage, the gun is only as powerfull as the person using it. Same with the jetpack, if you conserve your fuel, land in places you can't be reached, you can use it more effeciently then someone who's never played. However, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Grappling hook lets you use secondary quicker, due to whenever you stop hooking you remain stationary. However, with a grappling hook, you can't go anywere a jedi knight can't go without repetive unrealistic grapples. The jetpack gets for a good getaway and is extremely fast and productive against gunners, however you are moving and cannot snipe. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I strongly suggest we put a larger damper on all non-registered bounty hunters carrying tenloss'. It should be a high crime, a no bail sentance. Also, i think guns like the Bowcaster need restrictions on them due to the uberness of them, let alone combined with the tank of a class wookiee, they're unstoppable.

You forgot to do this Puts up his shield for the coming wave of flamers that will flame you for siding with me

lol, I dont care.

Ruptors have a limited range, they do not shoot across the map. I used this tactic in Enclave but I'd pick up some STrooper's cannon which doesn't have the range restriction. I didn't know you couldn't scope and fire with mando in flight but for people like me, I toggle cg_fov 5 / 90 on one key to compensate the scope, drop the mouse sensitivity with the wheel, and hit as good as I could on the ground. Imho, neither combination is good but Kyr has a point, new people and apparently some who've been here a while, can't defend themselves. I've been playing grapple rune Quake 2 with railguns so this is not a new tactic to me, but definite advantage over others.

I think disruptors and jetpacks should be banned, for the simple reason that a disruptor should be used for sniper purposes ONLY. The fact its used in the air is just because you got the gun and know it’s the most effective.

Not enough people use the sniper rifle for what it should be used for…you should go to a high/safe location and snipe, not fly/grapple around shooting because its an uber gun that can penetrate defence. I’ve no objection to grappling to a position then sniping, because in theory you could on a place like Bothawui get high up and snipe your target without getting caught.

Dragon is so right, i think that it should be banned. perhaps we should hold a poll.

I think Jet and Disrupt should be banned.

-Term originally coined by Cloud on 26th Feb 07.

lol, you should've seen Dajo Kassel vs Talraz Laoric. THAT was a good show of rupterskill. he didnt lay a hand on me =p

Specific weapons spawns were disabled well before everybody who has posted in this topic (except for Dragon) ever got here.

I think in the instance of Atis vs Dain, apparently Atis acquired a sniper from a temp…the most lamest excuse I’ve ever heard. People can acquire weapons from any class by dying deliberately while holding a weapon…I don’t think that should be allowed for snipers especially.

I think one of the main issues in terms of you Shaon is the fact that you haven't any degree of fairness in combat, like compromising to make the RP more enjoyable for more people (Example being when me, Drag, Kel were RPing a battle and we agreed the kills from pushing into the lava shouldn't count). When i'm dueling i never use roll stabs or DFA's because i honestly hate them being used against me, but if my opponent were to do it just to get an advantage over me, what's the point on being fair in the first place? With myself and Dragon (and Kel from the duels i've had with him) we're always fair to each other on how the duel plays out, rarely ever using rolls and DFA's (except perhaps Dragon using that DFA on Celest yesterday :P) and i can honestly say i'd be less inclined to get pissed off if my opponent beats me fighting fairly, I'm sorry i've been treating you like an ass alot lately, but as many other members know i'm big on respect, and believe it should be mutual, you don't seem to show any respect and would happily perm the whole server pushing the faultiness of JA.

Thats my opinion, and reasons for being an ass to you. lol.

I don’t wanna sound like I’m flaming Shaon, but I completely agree with Brutus. To me, it seems you exploit every aspect of combat just to get the win and winning is above all else. I do respect you however, in that you do know at times where to step the line and where not to. E.g. you could have killed Dain. (However I still contest how that situation arose).

But I know exactly where Brutus is coming from, now and then I do a DFA or Roll stab, yesterday with Joala it was out of complete desperation, however 90% of the duels I have are intense and geared towards fun as opposed to winning entirely. When you were fighting with Peter, you caused so many TKs because you were jumping a lot and also backstabbing into an opponent, completely defying the duelling rules we have. All of your roles involve combat and that bothers me because I know for certain you can be a great Rp’er…but your tendency to lean towards combat bugs me. If you do want combat so much, you should join factions like the Alliance/Empire as standard soldiers…you’d have a lot more fun working your way up the ranks for being a great soldier instead of lingering in danger zones as you do…like how peter was lingering near Imperial forces.

As Brutus said, a lot of what he does in terms of characters are more geared for fun, winning isn’t everything and those who exploit the game and exploit their own skill ruin the server. Its good to have strong characters, providing they are roleplayed.

Well motherfuckas, listen to this.

Look here this has been taken up so god damn many times its actually bugging me now dude so here goes.
First off, Kel could you do the majority a favor by banning it?.
Secondly, Disruptor without Jetpack or vice versa FTW.
3rd, Sorry for cursing.

I thought you said you'd stop that <_<

Anyway, I don't agree with jetpack being disabled. Jetpack is your friend lol. But I don't think Tenloss shouldn't be disabled either, I think it should be used for sniping only. E.g. You are only allowed to snipe, primary or scope, whilst stationery. If this can't be done then I think Sniper with Jetpack should be disabled. Because it's a big no no. You've no idea how hard it was trying to get a hit on Atis whilst she fought Dain. Dain only had jump 2 and the fight wasn't really fair. As for the 'Sita doesn't fight fair' I don't have much to say there. I've only encountered Sita twice in combat, with Atis and Peter but yes he didn't really fight according to rules for Peter. He was all over the place lol. He said it was to avoid the others, I still don't think it was allowed. When you're surrounded by 5 IKs and 3 STs you're not really meant to stand a chance anyway.

That's my say.

Well a Mandalorian Vs an apprentice are even matches i'd say, but the fact a sniper rifle is so strong that only someone level 8 can withstand it. Snipers have become far too common, and the fact their illegal means nothing it seems. They should be stationary shots period, the rifle alone is meant to be aimed, I think that it should be secondary allowed only along with the stationary rules. In the Rp yesterday for the supply stash, those with snipers used them well and exactly how they should be used.

Since weapons such as the E-11 secondary have been banned given it being too strong, a gun that does one shot kill should be used for a sniper only.

Ok, I can easily just throw rules that been broken back through this, and really me doing what I did with Peter wasn't bad at all, seeing as I could have Exploited, like I did when I was a Mand temp, and you would just go wtf?, Then you'd start gripping/slashing. I don't care that much at all, I killed with Sita.. thats about it, I could have killed about 6 imperials with Xeon, another 3 or 4 with my HK... Kellina could have killed Phaeton... all of my characters save Sita are 'could haves', I just like to fight. I'm not used to the lack of constant RP that has been in all of the other RP servers I have been too, always something to do, and always someone that wanted to do it with you.

As far as shooting while flying goes, I shot four times max while flying, and only at gunners, which is still obviously un-fair, and it would make sense to ban its fire completly while Sniping, I use the jetpack to get away, land, then snipe.

You can't blame the lack of imperial power in the galaxy for the overuse of the Tenloss, they arn't doing their job, or they can't in certain places, its an RP problem, not OOC.

I always 'bug' or push the rules to the brink of breaking them (and apparently breaking a few rules I wasn't aware of, seeing as I have named two people repeatdly who do it), when I am outnumbered, and I'm always outnumbered, or completly out-matched (Sita VS galaxy) However I did no such thing as Kellina VS Phaeton, and I didn't even do anything lame with Shaon when he got ganked. I must cut this short, go post another complaint that the admins didn't allow vote after they left... Unless Ohm is allowed to change maps etc.