I decided to say this due to the incident involving Dain. And to put it simply, if you are involved in an Rp and during that Rp someone attacks your character, ask yourself this:

1) Is that attack legitimate?
-Was it provoked?
-Is there a motive for doing so?

2) Do I want you allow this attack to continue or do I deem the motivation unacceptable?

Yesterday a character who claimed to be crazy threw a det into a cantina, this in return forced Dain and Jalig to go after him and thus revealing themselves as Imperial Knights due to the weapons they had. And furthermore, Dain got captured because of this by a character who just happened to be passing by...and a character who hunts force sensitives for fun. (to sumise)

What should have happened, is Dain and Jalig should have OOCly questioned the motivation of the attack. Crazy characters are NOT tolerated when they can threaten the safety of permanent characters. They are an excuse to eliminate self boredom and therefore, IF you are subject to such unmotivated attacks, it is YOUR responsibility to question the attack.

Today the same instance occured with yet another character of Tasu attacking Nifty's Natalie...who I do want to become FS because I believe Nifty deserves it. When Nifty returned the attack I then urged him to question the motivation of the attack...and thus Nifty voided it as there was no real motive. I dont wanna see the same instance occuring again and characters people worked hard on threatened beacuse of someones limited creativity and desire for combat.

Thanks dragon ;)

I attacked back because tasu said that he wanted natalie as slave, even though a bit of a stupid reason.
Since i didnt want to appear whiny or get any stick off tasu i fired back which was my motive, defending myself.
Although it was quickly voided it was strange that tasu came out of nowhere, said he wanted natalie, and then started attacking. (plus he changed class to hotshot midway, but said it was his proper class).

I could imagine there being hunters or huntresses who like to test their skills against a real challenges, FSs. Although dain got kind of suckered, we could even make the assumption tasu did that to draw them out into the open.
but its kind of irritating when people do this, no proper reason they just want to relieve boredom or stress.
same for BK-12, dain commanded him to attack atis and he did, but then got ownt with a disruptor just like 6 other people..... lol

Im not annoyed with tasu but later on when I scored 3 kills on jeffrey (again tasu's char) with the help of ramos he got extremily defensive and wanted us to kill him, after that kept asking for a new char for the droids.
BTW the motive was that AS was commanded to get a perm to use for cyberdroids, BK was just around and AS asked him to help, he did, scored 3 kills with charged pistol dispite.... difficulties from tasu :P

I totally agree... And same for my F/s it is hunted for i do not know why. and i never heard any reasons why... atleast if i would be hunted, i would like to know why.

And yes Nifty should be have Natalie aprooved. i agree with dragon when he says that he deserves it.

Everything is deserved and anything can be lost, i didn't throw the det without reason, i was trying to make an role play by offering my characters whole life, and it isn't my fault a huntress tried to capture Dain.

I agree i had no reason to attack Nifty in jundland, but personally i was bored but that wont happen now.

And yes, i've apologized to Nifty.
I'am man enough to do it once more, i'am sorry nifty bro.

Dragon you should post more things along the lines of "Legitimates." Such as Legitimate escaping.. Instead of doing this

Jinnid Alterian gets shot and only has one life left
Without fully returning to place of death or allowing everyone to get back into the role play.
Jinnid jumps in a ship and escapes one second later quickly goes into spec...

Dying should not provide you with a escape... You don't teleport back to spawn in real life... So I don't think that happens in the game.. Not to mention after death two you shouldn't be able to move as fast.. And how about the time it takes to get into the ship? Tele cockpit? It takes time to lift off a ship.. Once your emoted in the ship you can't simply be shot but that doesn't mean you get to go into spec.. You have to allow time to get into space... For trackers or ect... (However stupid trackers may be.. How come everyone has a tracker on hand? Is that common in every day life? to have a tracker? Maybe try and get a serial number or something enough with the stupid trackers! Unless your character would likely have a tracker...)

Also running off into the mountains.. or the forest.. How long should you have to hide before you have really escaped?

Jinnid runs around a corner then jumps into spec saying.. "Escapes in to the forests."

There should be a waiting period, and if anyone looking for you goes into spec then its automaticlly time up and you have escaped... because they have left the area... Anyhow looks like I just ranted, I best take a nap.

Well yesterday there was a situation in which an escape was meta-gamed. Despite alternate claims in an Rp yesterday in which a group of Alliance soldiers chased William Drakkus, upon his 2nd death we waited for William to return to his place of death, Kel didn’t emote his return (e.g. Gets up) and before we realized he was back, he had emoted jumping into a ship and escaping.

Without a doubt this was what came to be called a Jenna-game…and William escaped in such a way that wasn’t correct for 2 reasons:
1) He didn’t return to his place of death and emote getting up
2) He jumped into a ship and departed within seconds, even though on numerous occasions the same method of fast escaping was voided by Kel himself.

Unfortunately, stupid me let this go because OOCl’y I wanted William to escape in order to continue adding to the fun of the server…I’m a strong believer of the circle of fun.

However I should have set that aside and protested, especially since cloud lost his character and yet Williams escape was overlooked.

And while I’m at it…Alex Tyrus escaped by also meta-gaming by bunny hopping away to the point that she apparently got to a ship. Borrie eventually yielded to that and returned but escaped only because I stopped to explain how our Alliance soldiers found William…

But, since they meta-gamed their escapes…they will be found in a similar fashion as punishment for doing so. The most ridiculous things I’ve seen from people in Rp’s is when they escape and get ahead by bunny hopping or using the grapple.

Such methods should immediately render a character as a temp. yesterday (Borrie) Alex bunny hopped, had I not told him off he would have got ahead…it makes me wonder how many times his characters escape in such a method. I’ve also seen abuse of the grapple by Kel in battle, grappling back and forth onto the walls and using a sniper rifle…to me that’s far from realistic.

The server is meant to operate by USING COMMON SENSE…how bunny hopping and grapple abuse come under that I really don’t know.

Yea that was extremily annoying when that happened.

He was a few metires of hid POD im sure but i thought he was ooc so i wasnt shooting him.

He did kind of metagame that and i think the rp was retarded in places.

redundant recitation:

When I spawned I was at my place of death. Did you actually see where I died, or are you simply taking the words of the other perma-hungry "heros" that make it a habit of ganking everytime the opportunity presents itself. Fact is, I died shortly before the two pillars at the main spawn point, and was well past the tunnel considering that I had gotten 1 death on Jinnid who was in the tunnel at the time. So when I respawned, I was exactly where I Had died, give or take a few map units. Also, didn't realise that on second death you're automatically knocked down, and it required me to get up. However, I did emote getting cover from the gun fire using my ship.

I departed on a ship, however I did not jump into hyperspace which would kill the ship's engines and is virtually impossible. However starting a ship simply to go to another area of the planet given that the engines were warm a mere 30 minutes before is not unfeasible. Simply stating that I voided previous attempts at escaping from other people without providing proper details or context makes this argument void.

He wouldn't have lost his character had he simply accepted his 3 deaths which were legitimate, even niftyeyes who was playing an alliance character at the time recognized that all deaths were legitimate as I made sure that everyone had stopped chatting on the first rocket shot when I got 2 alliance soldiers, then I made sure that Lonus had stopped chatting before firing. If Lonus' squad mate left him behind, they left him behind, and it doesn't mean he's automatically with them.

We didn't metagame our escapes, they were perfectly legitimate (minus borrie's bunny hoping). The rules explicitly states that you can escape at any point in time provided there's a viable escape route.

Was William trapped indoors when he made his escape? No.
Was William surrounded and unable to get to his escape point? No.
Did William have access to a viable escape route? Yes.

The fact of the matter is, I went back to the exact same spot where I had emoted William leaving his ship behind, and that meant having to run from one side of the map, to the opposite end of the map, all the while being chased by 3 people, and eventually 2 Jedi that were joining the party, unlike others who have remote controlled ships that just appear exactly where they need it, and at the time they need it, or have some NPC always at their disposal to come with a ship when they need to escape (see Leo Osias vs. Lamia).

I only used my grapple twice in yesterday's RP, the first time was to get up on the base before the attack, and the second time was to return to place of death after my first death. Trying to make an issue out of something that did not happen in the RP, or an issue that has never happened in the RP from myself just makes you seem more desperate and grasping at straws simply to validate the hero complex that many on the server seem to have.

There's a difference between realism and practicality. The reason why bunny hopping is not allowed is because it's an exploit with the game engine that allows players to go at faster speeds then they should normally be able to go to. So it falls under the category of being realistic and practical. Getting shot by a rocket should blow you up into tiny little pieces. That is realistic. However it's not practical and as such that's why those weapons still count for 1 death forgetting the realism of things. Not everything is about realism.

If you wonder why there aren't enough villains on the server Dragon, that is precisely why. Despite having the advantage, the numbers, and every single other person on the server practically chasing one single person, they still complain about it when those people escape legitimately (see above). Just like when I used a named temp, you still tried to find issue with the fact that I wasn't using the basic class of a faction that had not been approved (Clonetrooper) and chose to use the Stormtrooper class (one of the weakest classes available), and thus the character I had should have only had 1 life. Did you see me complain in the first RP when Juno made a quick disapearance in the middle of a battle where she got "lost in the forest" and then you quickly change into "Leo Osias" to help the Ko'vash fight. Next time I'm in a fight, I'll simply get "lost in the forest" or I'll have my NPC butler come and pick me up with a gunship.

im not sour over the whole death of Lonus anymore, characters die in RP, thats it. Shit happens.

But your first rocket shot on me was while i was chatting, if i remember quickly i was writing Attacks You 1st legit kill on me was when i believe i was chatting, maybe not, but i would have been with my unit if i hadnt died.

either way, Lonus died.

As legitimate as you sound Kel, 4 people did not witness you return to your place of death. This isnt an argument against you, but an example in response to what Arcadius asked about regarding legitimate escapes....Im not speaking of clouds death because in my view he is responsible for his own lives etc...but four of us believed that William didnt return to his place of death. What im refering to, is that when you die and you suddenly just dive back to some point we dont know if your set to go. Perhaps its just me, but If I die I 90% of the time emote my arrival so people know im back where I was...seriously we were literally standing there waiting...perhaps an error on all parts.

Also, I wasnt refering to your grapple use in that Rp...it was an example of unrealism refering to Darin Dex's battle (which wasnt so bad) and also a NON Rp related fight between Scorpio and 2 Jedi when you spammed the use of a grapple...im just using you as an example of things that bug me in a fight and things I hope I never see in an Rp.

As for Leo Vs Lamia...why couldn't he jump into a ship that was emoted earlier on standby, if I recall I even emoted it numerous times during the battle. And I jumped high enough into the air to board it.

As for Juno escaping...I was long gone with Juno before you even got close to me, I even stood around for a bit waiting for you to catch up. Then because I had Rp'd Leo earlier but changed since Joey was free to heal that soldier I returned to him.

As for me complaining about you using stormtrooper class...that was honestly a joke...hence the ;-) *wink*

As for heroes, the people chasing you were all associated with Juno...how does that make them heroes? They were following her orders and it was a 3 V 2. You seem to make out that I always want things my way, to be honest I dont really care that Lonus died or that you escaped...because I OOCly wanted you to...Im only annoyed that the 4 of us all stood there waiting for some form of emoted return and the fact that Borrie had cheated by hopping, making me wonder how many other times hes done that.

but I've seen the exact same situation so many times and you've denied it. An example...

Jundland wastes...slave ship waiting on the landing pad...someone jumps it and flies off after emoting. You voided that and said it takes several minutes to prep...yet your able to say your ship was on standby? Either way, thats not the focus of what I said, its Borries Hopping and your POD.

one more thing, by the time william had retreated with his lackeys, juno was long gone and it was just the ko'vash holding the base, when we were after you if we stood anycloser your ass would be hurting lol.

Result = Juno was long gone by the time you arrived, she escaped and you didnt follow.

However when you escaped we were right on your trail.
But im just gonna leave this because its kel, and anything more i say will be bad in the long run

Ah yes...another reason why the SWGEmu would be better... less conflicts with legitimate issues.

im getting sick of hearing about the emu :S

L.
O.
L.

Bah humbug

And I've said a million times before, I was at the point of death when I respawned, give or take a few map units (less then one second to go there, and back).

So you can't keep using that argument that I did not go back to my point of death when I was clearly there in the first place. Niftyeyes knew it, since he was the one who shot me for that second death. And arguing about it is pointless as it's impossible to determine the exact pixelated point of death, but I was close enough to it such that when I respawned I didn't need to truly go there. You're making it sound as though I was still in the town, then I died, and instead of returning to the town, I simply emoted escaping which wasn't the case.

Yes, and next time I'll just Rp the same thing not even giving you guys the same satisfaction of even getting close to scratching me. But that was my point exactly, despite the cheapness of having NPCs coming in with a ship for you to escape, even if it is emoted, it didn't recieve nearly the same uproar as this situation where I actually bothered running away, across the entire map to the exact location where I had emoted leaving my ship, and yet still I get bitched at.

And I was long gone before the alliance caught up to me while I was escaping. The only reason why you caught up to me was because Durza and Jinnid who weren't involved in the fight at that point in time started talking to me which delayed my escape. However, had I pulled a Juno and simply "escapes in the forest", there would have been an even bigger uproar then this saying that it would be uber to escape like that.

Heros in the sense that "good" characters get away with murder simply because they're classified as good, yet "evil" characters get tied on a leash. Just as the echani were able to metagame knowing their leader's death at the hands of the sith in order to escape a situation that would have destroyed the faction, just like the Jedi were able to escape killing a crimelord in his own base with no consequence, just like Dragill and Kaizen were able to get away with a massive act of terrorism by claiming they had evacuated a hotel with more then 17000 people in less then 5 minutes without making a general broadcast throughout the hotel and get away scot free, just as the Jedi would go undetected on Bothawui because of "Quey'tek" eventhough most were several levels below Lamia, but because they were together they could shield themselves (which by SW lore is completely untrue), if "evil" characters attempted any of those things, people would have screamed bloody murder.

Next time, I'll remember that:

Returns to place of death

Sarcasm aside, I did emote after my death. You can emote combat, or you can emote escaping away or a variety of other things. Given the fact that at my POD I was exactly where I had left my ship when I landed on wayland, my emote involved hopping into my ship and making my escape.

While the lack of details really prevents me from accurately commenting on the supposed situation since it lacks information such as who was escaping, how did they get there, was that really where their ship was located etc... I'll still indulge you into that. Given the fact that you claim I said that it takes several minutes to prep, that's for a hyperspace jump which you can't do on a cold engine. My character however did not jump to hyperspace, but merely went to another region of the planet without leaving the atmosphere. You're welcome to try and track him. However like I said before, and like niftyeyes has confirmed that when I respawned I was just a few meters away from my actual POD, which at this point is an irrelevant amount of distance as it's impossible to remember exactly the point where you died, and Borrie also returned to you and ran away legitimately, albeit it's cheap he ran while you were chatting, it's no different then me getting stopped by Durza for chatting, or Headshot taking his sweet ass time typing something allowing Juno and Lonus to catch to Alex and James Selex afterwards.

coughs

o.O ... Well then...i only have one thing to say....

http://kel.youaremighty.com

roflmfao!! omfg that was so damn funny!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

This all seems to be centered around the conflict on Wayland, i must say that i was a bit annoyed at first, but hey. it was a fun RP, soldiers die in war all the time, so what Kel spec'd then just escaped, if you didn't want him dead anyway dragon, it dont matter to much. I think Kel is now aware that it was disliked, and perhaps he will have it happen to him when he was so close to killing a character.

But yeah. Kel this isn't aimed at you, if you hadn't been there, the RP wouldn't of happened and that wouldn't have been any fun! But next time somebody heals back lives between 2 battles and it is allowed. I am gonna come down on their arse like a ton of bricks, or maybe a ton of feathers. depends on my mood :lol:

At the end of the day it all come sdown to point of view...4 peopple claim they didnt realize u had returned....but meh Its over now...but its an examaple....

You could have pulled me, placed a tracker or anything to prevent my escape...this situation comes down to us not realizing u had returned. And Leos escape actually involved a character who was present initialy.

Thats your problem not ours

I think ive had more evil characters than anyone on this server and I know the downfall of evil characters, thats partly true....but theres also counter arguments...yes the Echani metagamed, instances like the jedi were down to bobomoto who let the jedi go due to Leo convincing the leader he would come off worse from hunting him. The dragill/kaizen instance came down to a point of view...in their opinion the hotel was evacuated....it was you who claimed it wasnt...who gets the final say I dont know...it depends how the hotel was Rp;d....some viewed it was a small hotel..others as a grand hotel....it shud have been down to the people imo.

Surely you can appreticate, that given the spawn POD we werent to be entirely sure...the last thing I saw, was William getting killed by Jinnid, as I stopped to address that...you had escaped.

Jesus, what a frigging suck-up


But i guess the final word is that make it clear next time you had returned to place of death


When i am trying to escape someone as BK-6182 (happens a lot) I do this:

Starts to prep his ship, will take 2 minutes before leaving

I do that to make it fair for the people instead of straight away going spec, you could of at least done that. I have seen people do it before. and when the 'timer' ends you can go spec, you made it fair for everyone and its their own problem if they dont catch you on those terms.

Suck up? I only did that for the heck of it. That link actually has a little story on how I came across it.

Your mistake, not mine. Your information is off on the whole RP which makes me question whether you actually saw me die to be able to claim to know where my point of death was. Like I said, there's nothing that says that I need to indicate that I'm back at my POD, and in most cases you know when someone is at their POD because they emote continuing the battle, whereas in this case, I emoted escaping as opposed to fighting back which was legitimate since I was at the location of my ship

Last I checked, protocol droids couldn't fly ships.

I had stated that example to validate the claim that you had no true complaint against Borrie's second escape claiming you were chatting, so in essence by that line of reasoning you can't really complain about Alex's escape.

Exactly my point. From people's point of view, when a "good" character does such a thing, they tend to downplay the incident or uber a copout for the consequences of their actions, whereas with "evil" characters, they go as far as using OOC information that they wouldn't normally possess in order to throw the book at those characters (see Darth Malum's trial).

Again I question what you saw exactly since it wasn't Jinnid that got the second death on me. I killed Jinnid, and then after that Cpl.Darkster (niftyeyes) got the second kill on me.

I didn't just straight away go to spec, as people make it seem like I simply emoted escaping because I had 2 deaths on me. I emoted escaping the battle well at the base signifying my intentions that he was no longer going to fight after Alex had disapeared. I allowed the chase across the entire map to occur giving you more then multiple chances to take me out as opposed to conveniently emoting some other character coming to pick me up with a ship at the base.

Im not gonna bother debating this, its over...and I did see you die at Jinnids hands...I actually stopped and began typing "is that death 3? I dont remember if Jinnid is part of the battle?" and then you escaped...your gonna debate this regardless of our opinion...I dont care you escaped...it was an example of questionable escapes as Arc asked for.

I wasnt happy with Alex because I know for certain she escaped by bunny hopping...its my fault indeed that I stopped to explain how we found you. Otherwise you may have continued to protest it believing we cheated.

I'm not debating your opinion on this matter, however what I am questioning is what you believe to be facts, when they're not. For example, Arcadiaus in the initial complaint wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, I died at the spawnpoint, or near enough the spawnpoint for the travel distance to be negligible. Niftyeyes has even said so in this very topic, and cj who was observing in spec also said the same.

Did I ever say that dying provides an escape? Never. However, it just happened to be a coincidence that I died at my escape point, where I left my ship. Given the fact that I still had one life left after Darkster shot me, even if he hadn't shot me I would have done the same emote to escape. Given the fact that none of the alliance soldiers had heavy weapons on them, there's nothing they could do to completely stop the ship, however they probably could have disrupted it by firing the fuel line, but even that requires very precise shooting. Another misconception is that I took off in space which is again wrong, as William simply took off to another part of Wayland.

Niftyeyes confirmed it in this topic that I was at my point of death when I respawn, and cj observing in spec also commented along the line that I was right at my ship when I died:

Now to address Dragon's claims:

Yet you forget to mention that the person that actually shot me for my second death has stated in this topic that my POD was at the spawnpoint give or take a few map units. The only reason he didn't (or couldn't shoot me) was because I was busy typing my emote to escape and that would have been a chat lame.

Funny, my chatlogs say otherwise:

Exactly as I've said things happened, not only that, Jinnid emoted being wounded, and by the sounds of it, it doesn't look like he would be up for a fight to get a single death on me, which again brings me back to my initial point makes me question exactly what you saw.

The only thing I'm guilty of in this case was rushing the emotes, whereas I should have provided more details and created a more dramatic escape by emoting:

Hops onto his ship and closes the doors. He activates the automatic defense turrets causing suppressing fire in the direction of the alliance soldiers providing William with enough cover to initiate an emergency takeoff to land in another nearby sector of Wayland.

I agree that the emotes were rushed. And Jinnid never got a hit on William I ran up to him trying to stop him without my lightsaber.. (by blocking his path) but I just got in the way of his fire.

AH, then I did indeed misread that...I heard a saber death effect and saw William die. My appologies, but lets just drop this its a misperception and whats done is done.